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FWIW I find this thread on 'I blame the Patriarchy' about the best discussion I've ever read on the issues, particularly the exchange between posters 'Heart' and 'B Dagger Lee'. I tend to agree most with the latter.

relevant thread here

"This can't possibly get more disturbing!" - Willow

by myriad (imogenk at wildmail dot com) on Sun Dec 7th, 2008 at 11:10:51 PM EST
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You'll forgive me but Heart is one of the most notorious trans-haters out there and I'd rather not read her spew. I have read references on other blogs to certain infamous threads on Twisty's thread and the opinion seems to be that, although Twisty is herself careful to avoid overt transphobia, she carries a few questionable views and certainly seems to revel in creating a space where transphobes can hang out.

It's bad enough to have to read Julie bindel every now and again without going looking to put my head in such things. Anymore than a coloured person needs to read every raving from some KKK-wingnut to know there are people who are ignorant and hateful. There's no argument to engage, no ideology to unpack, just stupidity and bigotry.

If B Dagger Lee, like Lisa Harnett over at questioning Transphobia, want to waste their time trying to engage people like Heart and others one to one on their home grounds then all power to them. But I tend to dismiss them as beyond salvage and would rather create a persuasive narrative to appeal to the middle ground.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 8th, 2008 at 06:43:40 AM EST
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