I don't really know anyone who identifies as a feminist and who is also "anti-transgender."  And I would say that, among my friends, most identify as feminists.  I think that perhaps in any demographic or movement there is a probably a broad spectrum of opinions which range from those who barely have the courage to voice their beliefs to intolerant extremists.  Though I have to say that I find a fundamental contradiction in the idea of a an "anti-TG feminist," since a belief in human equality regardless of gender seems, I don't know, a fundamental pillar of feminism...

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Mon Dec 8th, 2008 at 02:45:09 PM EST
I was thinking that.  I'm certainly a feminist although what academic 'brand' I am, I don't know.  I certainly don't want to try to own any definition of feminism and expect everyone else to follow it.  Those who call themselves feminists and spout nonsense like JB I do believe are a minority.  

You don't need to have a degree in gender studies to be a feminist, you don't need to be a woman to be a feminist and my contacts with non-women's movement feminists brings me in touch with a great bunch of inclusive people who are not anti-trans.  They might not 'get' the issues but that doesn't mean they are hostile. Many people active in the women's movement I've met are reasonable too.

And then we get a small number of hideously vocal and hugely intimidating extremists who have no grounding in reality.  They are in any situation, any group, any scenario.  If they are the ones you bump into first then it will taint your view, understandably.  But it is important to remember that most are not like that.

poemless:

a belief in human equality regardless of gender seems, I don't know, a fundamental pillar of feminism

I'd say so.


Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 8th, 2008 at 04:53:14 PM EST
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But it is important to remember that most are not like that.

Given I'm not allowed to attend RTN marches or join feminist groups cos I'm trans, that's actually hard to believe. After all, if they weren't anti-trans, I'd be allowed, wouldn't I.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 10:04:42 AM EST
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I meant most people - unfortunately that is not equivalent to most organised groups.  For the life of me I really don't understand what the issue is for feminist groups that don't want trans women to join.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:59:14 AM EST
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I appreciate that it is hard to fathom, unless their considered view of the transgendered is "once a man, always a man". From which you must, at least, accept that my conclusion that a lot of feminists are, if not actively transphobic, happy to accomodate transphobic attitudes is reasonable, even if you yourself are not.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 at 12:13:48 PM EST
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