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This is what we need, not only things to oppose but things to stand for.

Though I am not sure Ellemann-Jensen would be my choice of Council President. Is he even in the running?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 12:46:14 PM EST
And what is he doing now?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 12:51:04 PM EST
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Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Uffe Ellemann-Jensen
(born 1941) was Minister for Foreign Affairs of Denmark in the Conservative led Poul Schlüter Administration 1982-1993. He was leader of the Danish Liberal Party, Venstre 1984-1998 and President of the European Liberals 1995-2000. Since 1998, Ellemann-Jensen has been Chairman of Baltic Development Forum, a non-profit networking organisation dedicated to the business development of the Baltic Sea region. He is non-executive director of various boards of international companies.


We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 01:09:58 PM EST
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by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 02:22:08 PM EST
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As you may have noted, I dropped the name of Joschka Fischer in a couple of interviews, as journalists asked me who we were supporting.

His name was one of the few mentioned in the various threads, and the one with the most favorable comments. DoDo has expressed some reservations since, but he sounded like a decent choice for me as a tentative ET candidate then.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 12:53:21 PM EST
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Will comment shortly offline

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant
by redstar on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 12:57:26 PM EST
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The more you know about a politician the more reservations you have, which probably explains why DoDo might be more wary of Fischer than most of us, myself included. I've cooled significantly towards him in the last few years.

As for Uffe Ellemann-Jensen, he was strongly atlanticist and was IMHO a bit too quick in recognizing the independence of the Baltic States (that was no small part of the Western-encouraged destabilization of Gorbachev's regime, and my impression is that the Baltic secession was an important motivation in the 19 August 91 coup, which led to the disaster that was Yeltsing and so on and so forth...). On the other hand, he took IMHO the right position on the Danish cartoon controversy, and as redstar points out a foreign minister of a medium-sized country would be a natural choice for President of the Council.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 01:06:59 PM EST
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I'm also rather reserved about Fischer. In a column for the Austrian paper "der Standard" /search for "Transatlantisches Dilemma" he wrote:
   
   
   
   
Eine mehr multilateral ausgerichtete amerikanische Politik wird den Druck vor allem auf die Europäer erheblich verstärken, mehr Verantwortung bei der internationalen Krisenbewältigung und Konfliktlösung zu übernehmen. [...]
A more multilateral american foreign policy will increase the pressure on the Europeans to take more responsibility in resolving international crisis tremendously. [...]
Worauf warten die Europäer? Warum nicht jetzt damit beginnen, den traditionellen Widerspruch zwischen Nato und EU zu überwinden, zumal unter Sarkozy sich die französische Politik gegenüber der Nato positiv verändert? Eine gegenseitige regelmäßige Präsenz der politischen Führungsspitzen in den politischen Gremien beider Organisationen bedarf keines großen Aufwandes.What are the Europeans waiting for? Why not resolve the traditional conflict between Nato and EU now that French policy under Sarkozy grows more positive toward Nato? A regular presence of the political Leadership of both organisations in each other's committees would not involve significant effort.

Later he suggests regularly inviting US representatives to sessions of the Council of Ministers and points to the failure of Kyoto as a case in point.
What I found most troubling while reading his column is that he nowhere acknowledges that Europe and the US could ever have fundamentally different interests.

Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.

by generic on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 04:38:01 PM EST
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That's the exact same passages I quoted from him -- from the Guardian version of the same Project Syndicate text.

Re Migeru, I was probably more wary of Fischer until a year ago than most of you, but my current opinion was based on this op-ed alone: it shows he didn't learnt anything and got lost ideologically on the American lecture circuit.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 04:51:44 PM EST
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Should have figured that there was no need to translate it myself :)

Sadly the vast majority of the European political elites can't envision a Europe that's not defined by the transatlantic relationship.

Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.

by generic on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 05:39:54 PM EST
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On balance, I would accept Fischer ahead of Bliar. However, my main gripe is not even his Atlanticism, but his coming from a larger state. High Representative (successor of Solana) would suit him better.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 04:56:27 PM EST
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Agree!
by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 01:00:57 PM EST
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to both counts by Migeru.
by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 01:02:45 PM EST
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What about Traja Halonen? Apart from till having a job?

Poul Nyrup Rasmussen?

Verhofstadt, Juncker?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 05:06:49 PM EST
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I think a former Foreign Minister would be better than a Former Prime Minister.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 06:08:24 PM EST
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