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It is increasingly obvious that NATO's roles today are as follows:

  • as supplemental forces to US troops around the world, in places where the US wants to fight, but cannot for various reasons (it's boring - peacekeeping, it's politically sensitive, it does not have enough troops);

  • as a source of legitimacy for US imperialism ("it's not the US, it's the "international community" - see all these countries who are joining in this good fight");

  • as a way to keep European diplomacy and military forces tied to the US.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 04:05:05 PM EST
Then, NATO must try not to succumb to such high handed tactics. Its inconceivable that even dumb Bush and Cheney cannot see beyond the tip of their noses, i.e., Gates' Zugzwang tactics are bound to have adverse effects that can weaken the US ultimately -- think Russia! Absolutely
by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 04:12:11 PM EST
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Thanks for asking.

I don't expect this to change under a new President; I expect this to be one of the ways of sustaining a Bush policy under the radar of US citizen awareness.

But if NATO countries object strongly enough, I think or hope that a Democratic President would be more open to flexibility.

One question is: what would a Democratic President's reaction be to a Europe-only military alliance?  Almost certainly very negative, if only because the Republican party would use it against him or her in the next election.  "Clinton/Obama allowed Europe to become a rival under his/her watch" and so on.

I'm sure you all have thought this through much more than Daily Kos has.  It's a large issue.

by RadiumSoda on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 04:12:25 PM EST
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RadiumSoda, Re: "One question is: what would a Democratic President's reaction be to a Europe-only military alliance?"

I can see that some Americans might like that, i.e., those who are against US military dispersing to the 4 corners of the world but the implication for the US will be so enormous that I don't see a new administration allowing that to happen so blatantly, hence new adminsitration will be flexible as you rightly say.

So far, there's been nothing in the pronouncements of the 4 current candidates that point in the direction of a weakening US resolve to remain in NATO.

I'd be very very surprised if the next US pres would undermine NATO in the same manner Bush, Gates and Rice have been doing it today.

by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 at 04:28:02 PM EST
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The US has been opposing independent European military capabilities for ever. One of the reasons that European NATO members don't have certain capabilities is that the US has done it's damnedest to make sure they don't.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 01:28:32 PM EST
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Like what ??? (just curious)!

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman
by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 at 01:36:13 PM EST
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