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Having bowed before naked power and greed once before, how could we trust him not to again?
And how is that different from any other British PM since WW2?  The issue of Trust is not so matter of Blair's personality, but whether we can trust the Heads of Government as represented on the Council toact decisively if Blair ode act outside the letter and spirit of the EU as contained in the Treaty.

If the EU institutions are not strong enough to ensure that one errant office holder is kept in line, then, frankly, they are not worth the paper the Treaties are written on and the EU as a body is an illusion.  All democracies have to be strong enough to resist abuse by those in power.  

If the EU hasn't learned from what happened in Britain - falsification of intelligence etc.) then, frankly, the sooner we find out about it the better - and before the EU gets embroiled in a war on its own territory.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 08:25:43 AM EST
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the EU as a body is an illusion

shhh! you don't want to give the whole game away, do you?

in fact you could sum up our due diligence here as a grassroots effort to make it a reality.

starting with protesting the possible appointment of self-anointed delusional warmongering 'grinning idiots' as spokesmen and leaders.

if only there were leaders with t.b.'s gift of the gab that actually stood for human values over economic-military ones...i guess till we find someone to rally for, we'll have to rally against.

at least we're rallying, lol!

The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 08:34:13 AM EST
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Part of the problem is that we already do know how well the Union stands up to errant idiots like Bliar. We know, because we saw it for the next best thing to a decade while he was in office as PM of the UK. We do not want a repeat performance.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 09:16:44 AM EST
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I seem to have a lot more faith in the institutions of the EU than most here.  I think the EU Council could gobble Blair up and spit him out before breakfast if he went off on a rant and my prediction is he would very soon resign in frustration if he tried.  The pliant and deferential UK Labour party is an altogether easier body to manipulate (in part because it didn't have independent sources of intelligence).  Every Minister in Blair's cabinet owed his job to Blair's patronage or tolerance.  No one on the EU Council owes him anything.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 10:18:55 AM EST
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Frank Schnittger:
And how is that different from any other British PM since WW2?
Well Wilson did manage to avoid comitting British troops to Vietnam.
The fact that other British leaders have also been of an Atlanticist bent does not man that Blair gets a free ride due to the comparison with other people from British history. In fact the main Pro reason I can see is that it might to some extent put a lever into the gap between the US and UK and force Britain slightly towards Europe. (It might also increase the media coverage of the institutions of the EU and so help knock down some of the scare stories put about by the right wing press).

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 10:40:25 AM EST
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If the only argument for Blair becoming Pres is that it might make the UK less Eurosceptical and encourage the Murdock Press to be less zenophobic, then I certainly wouldn't feel it was worth it.  Not even close.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 10:48:49 AM EST
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