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Very good that you made this diary. We often hear only 30% or less of contradictory arguments against whatever is the prevailing ET view on a particular subject. But I have enjoyed reading those contrarians. <W.Churchill> comes to mind. IMO it is important to really test if a concept is durable. Some many months ago there was a big to-do about biofuels here at ET - firstly a great enthusiasm, then people went away and did some calculations (there wasn't much information out there, at that time, to datamine). But there were contrarian views in the comments, and that is one subject that was treated, in a sense, fairly, in that a full range of views was heard - and many shifted their opinion as a result.

The StopBlair project had an immediate and ready audience here. It perhaps was a 'rush to judgement'. It was so easy to judge. However there was an element of revenge in the phenomenon: "We'll teach that phony". And why not? There's nothing like feeling empowered. And, like Everest, you don't need a reason to climb Mt. Internet, because 'just because it is there' is a reasonable motivation and justification.

Hoever, just because we acquire some power, there is no reason to believe that it is because we are right.

So I am all for contrarian views: they help to refine the agument and make it right. You are a braver soul than I ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 09:54:38 AM EST
Many thanks.  I found myself in the strange position of being very impressed and supportive of the StopBlair campaign and yet having doubts about its central premise.  Whilst I think its great that ETers should conduct such campaigns, I also believe that ET itself should try to attract and engage with as many people as possible from all points of the EU Democratic spectrum if we are to become truly influential in EU affairs.

If nothing else a Diary like this can signal to potential new members that its OK to take a dissident viewpoint on even a high profile issue.  I, personally, won't like to be a member of a closed shop or party political website/community where party policy defined the range of views that were acceptable.

Dammit, you guys are far TOO conservative or wishy washy liberal on so many issues.... (hides)

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 10:28:11 AM EST
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If nothing else a Diary like this can signal to potential new members that its OK to take a dissident viewpoint on even a high profile issue.  I, personally, won't like to be a member of a closed shop or party political website/community where party policy defined the range of views that were acceptable.

Indeed. One of the reasons many political party forums and blogs seem to tend to run into the ground is the way they have to adhere more or less strictly to the party line. That seems to tend to kill the free flow of ideas that makes blogs interesting.

- Jake

Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 12:14:00 PM EST
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Well put, though I only have such respect for well-argued and honest contrarians (like Frank in this diary), dodging questions and just repeating the party line, or well-designed insinuations and spin not (like coming from certain contrarians gone since).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 at 01:21:52 PM EST
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