But you can't integrate groups. I'd like to see a really successful example of such a case. You can only integrate individuals.
As long as the technostructure providing services conceptualise their jobs as serving groups, maintaining those groups' identities, and reasons for self-cohesion (membership in group being important for access to group-catering services), you are building a separate but equal framework. Eventually, a segregationist one. That's the real problem I have with addressing minorities as "groups" .
And indeed, those communities aren't homogeneous, but such policies mean a stronger incentive for intra-group cohesion and homogeneity ; which means that instead of helping people to get easier access to the social tools for participation in mainstream society (which aren't only language and education, but an integrated socialisation for kids, for example), children grow up in a community-oriented environment, and thus socialise towards their community rather than the general society.
One of the big problems for African Americans in the US isn't only facing discrimination but that many grow up in an environment were drug dealing is a standard means of income and gang membership is normal. This is an extreme example of what socialising in a minority community means : an harder access to the social tools, assumptions, etc...of wider society. Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
But because those community identity values are so ingrained in the UK, we can't make an easy switch to an approach such as you discuss.
But discourse is changing in the UK, and we are talking more about fundamental human rights that apply equally to everybody and recognising that where there are groups, there is conflict and segregation and one group's rights trumping another's. There is a move within the equalities field to a human rights approach but we are only at the beginning of the thought process.
Thanks for such a good discussion, it has been really useful. Ad astra per aspera
Our Bling President is trying to break this apart, whether he has a "plan" or is just plain stupid!
I'm not always in agreement with Todd's views, but he's quite right about the "forced" getthos of the "banlieues", rioting is a way to get in the system... But there's much more to be done that won't be in the latest "Plan Banlieue"...! "What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman