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I hope you realize this requires me to make just as big a leap of faith as believing Obama's more lefty than he's letting on.

In any event, the devil is in the details.

You mouth platitudes about how the working poor will magically get covered with the Clinton plan. Somebody's got to show them the money though, because as you know, fucking the working poor has been a bipartisan sport since the 1970's. Fear of an unfunded mandate by the working poor is not an irrational fear,

Here are some of the other mandates the nanny-state upper-middle class and wealthy wing, the dominant wing of the Democratic party, has given them: ever more expensive child-restraint seats in cars, auto-emissions standards which make it hard for the average jalopy to get tabs/vignettes (this one hit me particularly hard when I was struggling) ever shifting burden of public school expenditures to parents via fees, kids left out of extracurriculars due to cost, et c...Think these are small beer? You try to tell that to a single mom making 20K/year with two kids and no spousal support.

Sorry, but if you have a party which hasn't put up anything on the boards for working people in decades, you'd best spell out exactly how this is going to work such that working people's discretionary incomes will not be hammered. Again, working people's fear of Democrats hitting their discretionary income is both very real and very rational.

What's really surprising to me in all of this is that there is a simple answer to all this. Take on the corporations, and fight for the wealthy to pay their fair share. Instead, we get this corporatist DLC bullshit which quite frankly is less than inspiring.

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by redstar on Thu Feb 21st, 2008 at 01:03:46 PM EST
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Do you realize what a huge change this will be for small business and big business? This will be the biggest jobs program in eons. This is effectively a massive tax hike because of mandates. But because businesses will not be burdened with health care anymore, you're going to have a lot of the working poor working for more. Our fucked up health care reason is practically reason enough for many people to avoid taking a chance on a small business. This is going to be a huge change if it comes through.

If you're holding out for a single-payer system, then good luck. And in 10 years when we don't have one we can discuss how maybe 10 years of transition from 2008 to 2018 would have been worth--if we had only pushed for mandates.

Your guy Obama is the very guy who said transitioning directly to a universal system is impossible. If you start from scratch, yes. But not in America. Those are Obama's words. I fail to see how in a thread about Obama/Clinton you are laying into Clinton for not going for universal coverage when your very own candidate scoffs completely at even the idea of universal coverage.

by Upstate NY on Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 at 12:20:44 AM EST
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