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#8 is scary. It means the world is run by those with guns, and if you're not friends with the big boys, you better make allies fast. It's kind of like being in prison. The Serbs chose the Russians, and look where that got them.

# 5, During the war there were plenty of places you could go for balanced reporting even in the West. Der Spiegel had some fantastic reports from Kosovo, as does some French news stations. The Greek papers were all over it. Robert Fisk in the UK, Scheer writing fo the LA Times, and ever Steven Erlanger for the NY Times (though he later went on to head the Arts section, and he proceeded to get rid of fiction reviews). The decent reports were few and far between however. Even back then there were the Linda Millers of the world, Carlotta Gall and Georgie Geyer. My best source of news during the 90s was the listserv of a rather even-keeled monk in Kosovo who disseminated news accounts from both Albanian and Serbian sources. What a hoot. I realized quickly on that their propaganda methods were very, um, unsubtle, made worse by very poor translations.

#10, It goes beyond a simply base in Kosovo. It has lots to do with transporting resources from the Caspian through Turkey. Gas especially needs to be piped out to the Adriatic. Every time you cross through national territory, you have to pay the tollkeeper.

#4, We are all run by criminals. I would say Bush pretty much proved that he's very willing to kill for his strategic objectives. How many had Milosevic killed prior to the ethnic tensions in the early 90s? Criminal? As criminal as our guys. A murderer? Genocidal lunatic? Yes. In sheer numbers however, he's responsible for a lot less than those killed elsewhere under our agency. Milosevics are made, not born. Well, maybe part of them is born.

by Upstate NY on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 08:46:45 PM EST
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Re: #5: Well, while some Greek papers did a reasonably good job, the whole tone and tenor erred in the other direction, portraying Serbs as the innocent victims and hosting such eminent serb luminaries as Arkan (whose knowledge of passable Greek was the result of an extended stay in a Greek jail in Salonika during the 1980s (or the 1970s I'm not sure any more). In other words  Greek nationalist wingnuts created an alliance with Serb nationalist wingnuts - portrayed as our "Orthodox borthers" who were victimized by the evil west / New World Order / Freemasonry / the Pope / the Islamic Arc Led By Turkey etc. So balanced is not a word I would use for the overall coverage.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Thu Feb 28th, 2008 at 06:28:22 AM EST
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Right. I just meant getting the other point of view. I'm of the firm belief that the best information comes from between the lines espoused by the most ardent supporters.

If I saw, "Kosovo should be independent. In no way should it serve as a precedent for other countries because..." then what I am really saying is, "Holy shit, this is going to serve as a precedent for other countries!!!"

That's why I love propaganda. Liars always acknowledge the truth because they don't have enough of an imagination to kill it. For them, the opposite of the truth is good enough.

And speaking of Kosovo precedents, the fun has already begun: http://en.rian.ru/world/20080228/100260773.html

Georgian nationalists, eh? This has all the hallmarks of a breadline massacre.
 

by Upstate NY on Thu Feb 28th, 2008 at 10:37:48 AM EST
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It's quite true that part of the problem is the "Serbian argument" revolves around events of 1389 and historical narratives. There is also the notion of victimhood as part of national identity, by the Turks, Nazis, NATO and now the European Union. Also, there are the conspiracy theories that are part of some Serbs notion of national victimhood.

A "European perspective" must now compete with the above...

by euamerican on Thu Feb 28th, 2008 at 11:41:14 AM EST
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