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(at least in anumber of States), you can simply walk away from the house and give it to the bank as FULL payment for the mortgage you owe them with respect of that house. So banks effectively carry the price risk.

I thought that the bankruptcy bill has eliminated that, but it's still valid in a number of places apparently - either because it's usual practice (but this may be a time to create new precedents) or because it's actually mandated by law (in California for instance, IIRC)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 at 11:38:12 AM EST
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Wow...

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 at 01:35:00 PM EST
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A percentage of subprime mortgage holders had no equity at all, unlike the example you gave.

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 at 03:46:50 PM EST
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Sorry, I read that too quickly, you didn't mention equity. My point was, it's easier to walk away when you have built no equity in a house, or didn't have any to begin with, as in many a ninja/liar/no document mortgage.

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 at 04:01:53 PM EST
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But I think that the point was that if house prices drop a lot, even people with normal mortgages will end up with negative equity. There might be more psychological resistance to walking away in that case, but it might still happen.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 at 04:06:06 PM EST
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In the UK (as I understand it) you can't walk away from the debt (by sending back the keys) (except by filing for bankruptcy.)

In the US (if I've understood correctly) anyone with a 100% mortgage and rapidly falling house prices (potential negative equity) simply sends back the keys and the debt is cleared.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 at 04:23:19 PM EST
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... as proposed by the EPI ... the house is appraised, and the defaulting borrower may stay in the house by paying a fair rent. If the bank sells the house on, the new buyer is constrained to allow the defaulting borrower to continue renting. There are some qualifiers on that to prevent abuse, but that's the basic idea.

So the lenders who never should have lent to people who never really could afford to buy take their lumps, without destroying the fabric of the neighborhood. And it seems like if the house value continue to slump, the "fair rental value" could drop with it, putting the prior owner of the house in a position to save up a down-payment toward getting into the market for a house they can afford.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 at 04:59:00 PM EST
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Yup, an interest-only mortgage is like paying rent to the bank, and with no sunk costs defaulting is just like breaking a rental lease. Inconvenient, but not difficult.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 10:15:00 AM EST
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Yes, most mortgages in the US are backed and limited by the underlying asset : the house. That's what called a "non-recourse debt".

If the house is durably worth less than the outstanding debt, sending back the keys and foreclosing is the rational thing to do. There are a couple of legal and tax bobby traps to avoid, though. There are also issues related to junior mortgages and home equity loans that can make things pretty entertaining (from a bystander POV, I mean - no fun at all for home owners).

Actually, there are now businesses dedicated to doing all the paper work for defaulting owners.

Example : http://www.youwalkaway.com/

Pretty funny


Facts, selfish little bastards. They don't even care about your feelings.

by Francois in Paris on Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 at 11:18:23 PM EST
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