In other German stories:

After a series of infanticides in the region, Wolfgang Böhmer (CDU), PM of Saxony-Anhalt state in East Germany blamed them on holdover East German mentality, stemming from communist East Germany's free provision of abortion: the latter supposedly created a culture in which mothers apparently see infanticide "as a means of family planning".

But this jump from abortion to infanticide, while ignoring the social differences and regional downfall after re-unification, was one too far even for some in the CDU, Die Welt writes. The choir of outrage and rejection includes the PM of Thuringia, Dieter Althaus (CDU), who fears a damage to the reputation of all East Germany. Today Merkel told him to shut up (he should not repeat it).

However, support comes from Catholics, as well as Richard Schröder [no relation to the former Chancellor], a respected Lutheran theologian and SPD man from East Germany.  From the latter even while, ironically, he submits that "no scientific study supports it yet".

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 11:27:07 AM EST
...and in other SPD infighting news: Wolfgang Clement (SPD/coal lobby), Schröder's economy minister 2002-5 turned E.ON board member, already notorious on ET for sabotaging his own party, is now really freewheeling.

The week before the Hamburg elections, he again spoke out against his own party, this time leading to the start of the party exclusion procedute against him.

Now he fights the threatening exclusion while continuing to shoot at the current leadership in his very open arguments against getting closer to the Left Party and replacing all fosil fuels with renewables. He says with Beck's strategy, the SPD "is risking everything that is there in the centre to win nothing".



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 11:37:34 AM EST
I think it is really healthy that all four of the traditional parties are ready to form a coalition with the other three. That the appearance of the Left party is pushing the Greens to coalitions with the FDP and the CDU, from this:
  G-SPD
   / |
FDP-CDU
to this:
    L
   / \
  G-SPD
 / X |
FDP-CDU
I suppose the rift between the realo and fundi branches of the Green party will become deeper. If Germany gave up the 5% threshold for representation, you might see separate left- and right-liberal parties as in the Netherlands or Denmark, as well as separate green, left and "green left" as in Scandinavia (or in the European Parliament).

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 11:42:08 AM EST
I suppose the rift between the realo and fundi branches of the Green party will become deeper.

Chatzimarkakis certainly thinks (hopes) that. Surprisingly, I don't see any signs yet. (But maybe I haven't looked close enough.) One conflict factor, economic-liberal Oswald Metzger left the party last year (as I reminded Martin the other day). To me it appears the Realos tolerate the Fundis (and vice versa) for now, no Clement- or even Steinbrück-style inner opposition.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 12:25:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Let's see when there is a federal election and there is either a black-green or an red-red-green option. I guess in such a case, there might be quite a fight between realos and fundis.

By the way, the greens are the party which has in average the richest voters, followed by the FDP, CDU, SPD, and with by far the poorest voters the left.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 01:01:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you have a link?

I had a faint memory of such a headline, which I found now: Grüne lösen FDP als Partei der Besserverdiener ab - DER SPIEGEL - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten

...repräsentative Umfragen bei Wählern beider Parteien, die der Mainzer Wahlforscher Jürgen Falter ausgewertet hat. Demnach lag im Jahr 2002 das mittlere Einkommen bei den Grünen zwischen monatlich 1750 Euro und 2000 Euro, bei den Freidemokraten lediglich zwischen 1500 und 1750 Euro.

...however, other polls get different resuts, depending when they are made and by whom. In 2005, Vor allem FDP-Wähler zweifeln an Westerwelle - DIE WELT - WELT ONLINE:

Daß es sich aber nicht bei jedem der genannten Kategorien um Vorurteile gegenüber den Liberalen handelt, zeigen die freiwilligen Angaben über das durchschnittliche Haushaltseinkommen. Während Befürworter der CDU/CSU (durchschnittlich 2532 Euro), der SPD (durchschnittlich 2529 Euro) und der Grünen (durchschnittlich 2356 Euro) etwa alle auf gleichem Niveau liegen, sticht das Durchschnittseinkommen der FDP-Wähler im direkten Vergleich deutlich hervor. Es liegt bei 3379 Euro.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 04:13:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It might be a matter of distribution, too. Are the wealthy realos skewing the average?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 04:21:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
How would that resolve the contradiction between one poll saying Greens are richest on average, another saying they are poorer than SPD and CDU with FDP far richer?

But, re your question, the first study, the one that has the Greens richer than the neolibs, says that 25% of Greens has income above €3000, vs. "only 23%" of liberals (methinks the difference is statistically insignificant).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 04:30:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
...or, maybe you mean that the willingness of the richest to answer poll questions may vary? (In which case, both for FDP and Greens)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 04:31:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Talking about statistically insignificant differences...

DoDo:

CDU/CSU (durchschnittlich 2532 Euro), der SPD (durchschnittlich 2529 Euro)


We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 04:37:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, at least the Welt jounalist sees that:

etwa alle auf gleichem Niveau


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 04:43:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No I have no link.
And with seeing the discussion I see that it may well be that this is not necessarily time constant, but may change. A milieu study would be probably more stable, as income has such a strong age dependency, and e.g. strong gains in the student milieu may make the voters of a party poorer in average, but reflect a base of 'economic winners'.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 04:44:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, the voter base can change, too.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 04:46:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I did public disservice by not translating the essence for non-German-speakers -

First poll: a comparison of FDP and Greens voters based on an opinion poll, showing average monthly incomes in the range:

  • Greens: €1750-2000,
  • FDP: €1500-1750.

Second poll: a wider poll focused on views on the FDP, ordered by conservative paper Die Welt in 2005, where they emphasize that answers on household income [so it's a bit apples and oranges] are as given by the polled (i.e. not checked with financial authorities).

  • Greens: €2356
  • SPD: €2529
  • CDU: €2532
  • FDP: €3379


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 04:54:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Are there no polls on median income? How do you even say this in German?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 04:38:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"mittlere Einkommen" IS the median income. Thus, median income for FDP voters is between 1500 and 1750 € while the average is 3379 €.

_______________________________________________

"Those who fight might lose, those who don't fight have already lost." - Berthold Brecht

by RavenTS on Thu Feb 28th, 2008 at 12:55:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Fah. Those Germans need to get themselves some strong government, Anglo-Saxon style. Well, Anglo style. Two party systems are much better at taking the brave, strong decisions required for leadership in today's world. How can a five party system address the problems of International Islamo-fascist Terror Communism?

This comment brought to you by the scarier voices inside my head

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 12:18:12 PM EST
Isn't this whole episdoe a lesson in how weak and decadent multi-party systems are leading to that most abbhorent form of internal decay . . . COMMUNISM?  After all, if serious people are openly considering anything other than the summary execution of dangerious leftist Commies, then the end is truly near.

Or something.

by Zwackus on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 08:25:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you suggest a strong Führer? Last time we had it, it did turn out quite good for the Bush family.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 09:39:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
cataonia is precisely a 5 party sytem too...

CDU wil eb CIU, SPD will be PSC. Greens will be ICV ad left-aprty wouuld eb ERC well sort of becuae inc atalonia there is te antioanalsitic side).. plus FDP being PP? well not really this does not match.. but nothing matches the spanish PP in Europe except for berlusconi.. well and Poland.. and well the hardcore small aprties in Austria and.. well Danemark... oh my god it is spreading!!!!

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 01:24:59 PM EST
Fidesz here in Hungary also parallels PP in rabidity, and there is mutual inspiration.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 03:24:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
A plague

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 02:31:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The EPP.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 03:17:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
European Tribune - Comments - Fünfparteiensystem
While their loss of direct domination is the most apparent, it is just them who are in the most comfortable and safest situation in coalition pokers.

Intuitively, I'd say the same is true for the Dutch equivalent, the CDA, that rarely has not been part of government. It probably also helps that in the Netherlands the christian fundies are represented in their own parties (CU and SGP) and hence don't form part of a government coalition - except for the current one... CDA has the reputation now to be opportune: swing left or right during coalition building - I could imagine the CDU growing more and more into a similar position. Although I know little of the internal factions within the party.

by Nomad on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 01:38:02 PM EST
Well, CDU curently has no serious rival to the right, not to mention CSU (which made it official dogma), so it can only swing left, if Martin is to be believed :-)

Now that you mentioned the Dutch Christian fundies, that reminds me of something. The CDU/CSU of course does cover Catholic fundies (mainly in South Germany), but not the protestant fundies (Lutheran Church in North Germany is decidedly more liberal and sane).

However, there is a separate Christian fundie party backed by the as yet dwarf Protestant fundies, the Partei Bibeltreuer Christen = Party of Bible-Faithful Christians (PBC). It is nowhere near entering the parliament: a mere 0.12% in the 2005 federal elections, but I still find a mass of 57 thousand convinced creationists somehow... worrying.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 03:46:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
There is even a little more convincing alternative in BW (the PBC has its main base as well in a BW, and I think there is even a small village, where they have the majority), but they are as well far below any serious level in non-regional levels.
The ökologisch-demokratische Partei.
On the local level there is often some kind of free-voter-party alternative, but they have usually no all over the country presence, which makes it nearly impossible for them to enter any parliaments. For a new party to enter there has to be a huge movement (greens) or a otherwise dramatic historic event (Linke, if you assume that the WASG would have had a hard time without the PDS party apparatus).

And indeed I think that the CDU will not take its "Leipziger Parteitagsbeschluesse" very serious. In 2005 the CDU ran a full economic free market campaign (as you probably know, but maybe accidental readers not) and the outcome was much worse than expected. We have grand coalition now, so CDU and SPD can't go completely in different directions on the issues, but I frankly don't see on which substance CDU and SPD will run their next campaigns as probably no party will explain that the current period was a complete waste of time and after all the politics was as well not so incredible different from the red-green gov under Schroeder (Can anybody name something significant happened during the last years, else than the VAT increase and some family policy where the CDU minister did a pretty much SPD like policy?).

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 05:08:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
With outcome I mean the voters share, just to clarify.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 05:10:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In the Netherlands, you can get a parliament seat if you get 0.66% percent (1/150) of the vote. So it is easier for the small Christians than in Germany. If people knew their votes wouldn't be wasted, perhaps more people would vote 'Bibeltreu' than nowadays.

One of the Dutch Christian parties, the SGP or 'Staatskundig Geroformeerde Partij', is definitely fundie, they don't allow women to vote(their husbands do it for them). the otheone, the CU or ChristenUnie is more mixed, and recently got a lot of CDA voters who thought the CDA had become too conservative/neoliberal.

by GreatZamfir on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 04:17:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If people knew their votes wouldn't be wasted, perhaps more people would vote 'Bibeltreu' than nowadays.

I know, and this is why I shudder at the thought of even just tens of thousands of PBC list-voters: those must be real hardcore creationists; and they proselytize. Just checked prior results (the first figure is votes on party lists, the second votes for directly elected candidates):

  1. 65,651/26,864
  2. 71,941/46,379
  3. 101,645/71,106
  4. 108,605/57,027

That's solid growth in list votes.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 04:46:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's
1994-8:    +10%/+73%
1998-2002: +41%/+53%
2002-5:     +7%/-20%
Maybe they've reached their ceiling.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 05:02:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Given that turnout grew 1994-8 and fell 2002-5, and that the latter was only three years, I think those growths are comparable. (The direct vote isn't truly comparable for minor parties: if they don't manage to put a candidate on the ballot paper, potential PBC voters can't draw the X.)

On the other hand, I checked how they fared in recent regional elections where they ran, and that does indicate a ceiling:

Baden-Württenberg: 2001-20,528, 2006-26,759
Rhineland-Palatinate: 2001-5,379, 2006-4,973
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: 2002-1,312, 2006-1,957
Bremen: 2003-1,009, 2007-960
Hessen: 2003-6,674, 2008-did not run
Lower Saxony: 2003-7,819, 2008-5,851
Hamburg: 2004-1,571, 2008-did not run

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 06:16:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In Spain you have to get 3% of the vote in any one constituency. However, given the constituency sizes this only plays a role in Madrid, which elects 35 seats (Barcelona elects 31).

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 04:57:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Are they now creationists? When I lived in Germany, their main campaign theme (at least that directed to the general public) seemed to be support for Israel...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 04:40:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
There's no contradiction there, but maybe you aren't familiar with the full insanity of US Evangelical Christian fundamentalism.

PBC are in part subsidiaries of, in totality fans of, and supported/funded by, the US fundamentalists. Thus they bring forward the entire ideology: the millenarist Christian fundie support for Israel (because the Book of Revelations predicts the re-emergence of Israel and it fighting a big war just before the Apocalypse), creationism as 'science' and 'evilution' as false science, push for homeschooling, abortion is evil.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 04:54:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
German Radical Christians Look to US | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 11.11.2004
PBC leader Gerhard Heinzmann, who has no problem being labelled a Christian fundamentalist, said he was pleased with Bush's re-election.

"There's an extraordinary agreement on issues between our supporters and Bush voters," Heinzmann said, citing opposition to gay marriage and abortion as examples. Both groups "not only elect their government, but also pray for its members," he said. And that's what counts, he added.

...Rüdiger Hauth, who monitors religious sects for the Evangelical Church, Germany's largest Protestant church, in the western German region of Westphalia, said there are ten thousands of supporters. But Richard Ziegert, Hauth's colleague from the southwestern region of Palatinate, believes that there are more than 250,000 radical Christians in the country and US missionaries are increasingly coming to Germany to spread the word.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 04:58:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I can absolutely confirm the latter. In Karlsruhe there are some quite strange student organisations, which are bigger than the normal protestant church group. They e.g. offer German courses for foreign students without a fee, and then use the bible as textbook. They sing mostly English songs and have some other habits, which make it clear, that they are US inspired, if not directly supported.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 07:27:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah, don't get me started on the PBC. My aunt was one of their candidates in a Saarland state election - and that says more than enough about the party.

/make your cross where it belongs

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 10:03:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I know about the American crazies. I guess to the extent I thought about it at all, I must have assumed that the PBC was some sort of old-fashioned German Pietist-type thing, with quaint ideas like following the Gospels. It never occurred to me that they had anything to do with the Americans.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 04:42:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Aw, crap. The fundagelicals are Really Bad News on so many levels. How do we kill that movement off before it takes root in Europe?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 06:50:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
(love the new sig!)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 05:22:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The sig comes from here:

A Presidential European: Uffe Ellemann-Jensen

Reportedly watching the final in Lisbon ,on a portable television, while attempting to extricate his country from the treaty rejection mess his voters had created for him, Mr. Ellemann-Jensen watched Denmark pull off a resounding victory over the German machine. Entering the hall where the formal dinner marking the final night of this inaugural EU summit, Ellemann-Jensen famously quips to reporters "If you can't join them, beat them!". Negotiations, successfully followed up by the Edinburgh accords in the following year, save the Maastricht treaty, nascent EU institutions and Denmark's membership in them.


We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 05:27:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
No... Actually, in the typical Dutch student house where I was staying during my period in the Netherlands, there is always some rivalry between floors. A poster was always hanging above the staircase, "If you can't beat them, join them!" And I have the curious habit to turn phrases around in my head to see how they sound... That is, truly, all that happened.

My latest one is "After darkness comes fuel" (which is an actual commerical slogan here by BP) - I like "After fuel comes darkness" a lot better...

I had completely forgotten about Ellemann-Jensen. Serendipity strikes!

by Nomad on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 07:05:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Reminds me of (at a slight tangent) "No pain, no gain!" which a friend turned into "No pain, no pain."

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 08:00:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It's funny to see Dany the former red advocating for a left wing alliance in Germany when in France he is strongly advocating a PS-Verts-Modem alliance.

The Modem being a form of the FDP which has indeed accepted some right-wing ecology proposals, and moved  bit to the left...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Feb 26th, 2008 at 07:27:37 PM EST
The restraints on dogma created by the Nordic political coalitions force political leadership into a purely management role - which is the only role they should have.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 04:15:19 AM EST
Much of the problems of the current Finnish government can be reduced to certain elements thereof being way too dogmatic about things.
Also, the high number of dimwit assholes in the government.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 05:45:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hi NordicStorm! Incidentally, do you have any politicised Finnish friends you could ask to translate Stop Blair! into Finnish? It's the second largest of the four still missing of the 23 official EU languages.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 06:20:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I forgot Maltese and Slovenian in my e-mail: we have 6 missing.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 06:29:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I've been asking around discretely, but no luck so far (is being pro-EU and anti-Blair really such a strange combination? Oh well). That said, if I have some time this weekend I'll try my hands on a translation. With a little help from a fluent finnophone I should be able to get it within the vicinity of correctness.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 06:32:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I know a guy who knows some guys who speak Finnish. But I don't know whether they'll be willing to proofread. I could ask, though, if you need a proofreader.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 06:50:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We could ask tzt.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Feb 28th, 2008 at 04:45:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Mayor/Major--a suggestion for how to "hold onto" the difference:

"Y" = (Ypsilanti) = politics

Ypsilanti Mayor

From ArborWiki

City of Ypsilanti's Mayor is elected every four years. Ypsilanti has a council/manager form of government with a weak mayor. This means that the Mayor basically functions as an at-large Councilmember and presides over Council meetings, in contrast to "strong mayor" cities, like Detroit, where the Mayor's office has significant control over day-to-day governance of the city.

http://arborwiki.org/index.php/Ypsilanti_Mayor

(I'm thinking of the "Y" campaign--easy to remember the Y! Y = politics)

"J" = (Major Major Major Major) = military

Or:

Major Major Major Major

Major Major Major Major is a character in Joseph Heller's classic novel Catch-22.

He has the surname Major, and at birth his father gave him the first and middle names Major and Major, despite informing the mother that he had named the boy 'Caleb' in accordance with her wishes. She only discovers Major Major Major's real first and middle names when his birth certificate is required for him to enter kindergarten, and the shock leads to her death. The novel explains this was a joke on his father's part, and notes that it is not a particularly funny one.

Inducted during World War II, he is promoted from Private to Major while still in boot camp, without attending the Officers Training Corps or any advance warning at all. This is caused by an IBM machine with a "sense of humor almost as keen as his father's". A recurring joke in the book is that he bears a striking resemblance to Henry Fonda, even to the point of some people thinking that he is in fact Henry Fonda. In an interview, Heller states that he would imagine Major Major to either be played "by Henry Fonda or by somebody who looks nothing like Henry Fonda."

During the novel, it is revealed that he can never be promoted nor demoted, because the army has only one Major Major Major Major and Ex-PFC Wintergreen does not intend to let this change.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Major_Major_Major

(Hope this is okay!)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 05:32:07 AM EST
I know, mea culpa - I have been called out on that before by Metatone (or was it afew?), this was just a slip back to old habits...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Feb 27th, 2008 at 06:25:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I just read a piece in Die Zeit that mentions the Black-Green city governance in Altona - where it seems to function quite well.

Do you have any online references for Frankfurt?

It is an intriguing model....

Dialog International

by DowneastDem (david.vickrey (at) post.harvard.edu) on Thu Feb 28th, 2008 at 07:37:40 AM EST

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