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We should of course do all those things too.

But in top of that, after 9/11 some people needed killing.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 05:40:36 PM EST
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Maybe now that we've had this awesome healing experience of having killed quite a few people, we can start thinking about what exactly we are doing that is serving which interests of ours - in, you know, the good old-fashioned 'rational policy' frame.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 05:53:51 PM EST
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I would have prefered rational policy from the beginning, but Mr. Monkey made sure that wasn't going to happen. The world would have been a very different place if the President had been Clinton, Gore, Bush I or McCain.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 05:59:31 PM EST
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Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 06:31:36 PM EST
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Needed killing?

so whenever there was an IRA attack in the UK, it needed the RAF to drop a large bomb somewhere near the houses of supporters of NORAID?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 07:31:27 PM EST
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"But in top of that, after 9/11 some people needed killing."

This is a pretty interesting comment. First off, the whole revenge thing is not exactly, you know, whatever. Secondly, if you want to kill people in revenge, you could choose between the perps, or their families, or maybe the (Saudi) government that provided their inspiration. But the U.S. decided to go after Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11.

Thirdly, there is a question of appropriate levels of response. In 9/11 there were about 3000 American fatalities, some of them more awful than others, and all televised (repeatedly). In Iraq so far we have killed over 3000 American soldiers, and wounded about 10,000 (and "wounded" in modern language essentially means "killed" because the minor sort of flesh wounds that used to pump up the casualty figures are mostly avoided because of the widespread use of body armor, the current wounded have no arms, legs, or faces), and we don't count mental wounds or long-term health problems among the casualties. So the true American total casualty figures are certainly over 20,000 people. And then we have killed somewhere between 100,000 and 1,000,000 Iraqis, depending on whose numbers you want to use. So the current response ratio to 9/11 is around, say, using 600,000:3000, about 200:1.

Is that enough revenge killing yet?

by asdf on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 at 08:24:13 AM EST
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You know as well as I do it's not.

Migeru:

"The war is wrong"

"3,000 Americans died on 9/11"

At that time, the body count in Iraq was reported to be 30,000.

"10 times more people have already died in Iraq. Is that not enough for you?"

"Whatever it takes to make America safe"



We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 at 08:29:21 AM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 at 08:52:16 AM EST
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