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Even if your right; why bring it up now. After Tuesday; Obama will be the Democratic candidate for President and running against a genuine hero.

I know that may have very little influence on you intellectual Europeans but it very well might impact on Obama's ability to be elected.

So lets save the criticism for when he is actually President as opposed to having him adopt a position you are confident is right even though you very well may be wrong just for the sake of 'intellectual geopolitical masturbation conversation'.

And perhaps when he is President; he either may very well adopt your position or you may very well adopt his but until then-campaigning against a war hero who declined to be sent home from North Vietnam because he wanted to stay with his fellow soldiers is tough enough without adopting positions you would like on Afghanistan and Europe's non involvement.

by An American in London on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 09:24:00 AM EST
After the elections is before the elections. If a campaign rival is good enough reason to talk the opposite of what has to be done, facing a hostile right-wing press after the war will do it, too.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 11:31:42 AM EST
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Could anything demonstrate any better how totally fucked up the US debate on foreign policy is than this line of argument?

The candidate must lie about what his policy would be in order to get elected?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 12:18:02 PM EST
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It's deeply fucked up, but, unfortunately, there's a lot of truth to it, in my opinion.  I don't think the country is ready to throw in the towel on Afghanistan, at least not until bin Laden is killed or captured.

Now, if that can be done (and it'd help if President Shit-for-Brains actually gave a damn about it), the story would change dramatically.  Suddenly, the next president could declare victory and take the easy exit.  Whether he/she would is another question.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 07:51:10 PM EST
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Didn't Bin Laden die from lack of dialysis facilities some time in the winter of 2001/2? I mean, how long can someone with kidney failure survive in a cave in Tora Bora?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 06:17:21 PM EST
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But the CIA still comes up with really good videos from him. So either he is alive or the CIA is makeing the videos of BinLaden to keep a face for the enemy.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 06:30:31 PM EST
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That is absolutely right-we have to start debating the real issues rather than proxy issues.  Should we be there?  If not, should we pull back asap or steadily over some period.  Can we get help turning this over to some less divisive parties?  I don't know the best answers-I'd say yes, right now, and beg the UN to take over...but thats me.  But your point is exactly right, we cannot come to a good answer without talking about the issues without fear of the discourse.  There may not be a good answer anyway, but this skulking around the issue is shameful.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 08:42:34 PM EST
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You have to admit, it worked for George Bush.

"I am a compassionate conservative. I believe the US should not be involved in using its military for international police work."

by Upstate NY on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 09:12:43 PM EST
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