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And the situation of Afghani women is better now, how?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 11:00:28 AM EST
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' We all now the ay to fo forward is not the way the US has been acting' but what would you propose?
by An American in London on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 11:05:37 AM EST
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I don't know. :-( But I know more bombing of Afghanistan will not improve their situation. War tends to cement macho structures even more.

It propably will take decades to undo the wounds of the Russian and now the US/NATO invasion. It will take education and helping to build a society and economy, where woman can become more independent. Besides the goal of the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan was not to improve the lot of women.

I was always against the war on terrorism and the invasion of Afghanistan. I never been able to see this as an solution. It is only the civilians that are suffering once more.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 11:16:50 AM EST
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AAiL:
...but what would you propose?

You may want to read or re-read Afew's diary: The Afghanistan Problem, in Jerome's links.

You might object that none of us here at ET is proposing "The Solution For Afghanistan" you're looking for. It may be hard to accept, but in that particular occurrence, there's just no such thing. Orderly withdrawal is the best that can be hoped for.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 02:37:50 PM EST
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rg linked to a serious project to hook up afghani opium producers to the world pharma market. how many civilians/soldiers would that save?

but no....out comes the paraquat, sop to keep the black market price up.

it 'works' on coca in colombia, right? <snark>


~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 02:44:29 AM EST
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oy, metavision! did you troll rate me on purpose?

why?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 12:13:21 PM EST
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Corrected.

It's the second one today that has slipped by me and the first was J., also corrected.

I'm sorry, I'll try to be more careful with my mouse.  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 01:30:54 PM EST
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You don't have someone's latest Tribext? Download it, and this should be a yesterday's worry... You can 4 with one click, and it warns prior to giving anything else than a 4.
by Nomad on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 04:30:15 PM EST
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they can go to school now, (dodging bombs, rapists, kidnappers, holyroller stoners, honour-killings from vengeful relatives). that is important, at least symbolically, right?

oh yeah and don't forget the kites, or are those just for boys?

taliban are bad news, no doubt, but who encouraged them by acting like global assholes?

fundies like war...it's what they do... inside their heads, most of all.

i was fortunate enough to travel in afghanistan in around '74, and was struck by so many good things about the country, it burns me up to see the suffering they endure through foreign meddling.

they have been traumatised more than almost any other nation on earth, and we, the supposedly enlightened west, can only come up with violence as solution to almost all problems.

war machines need wars...afghanistan is just one of the 'crappy little countries' michael ledeen mentions as needed to beat up every so often, just to piss on the territory and blow up expensive munitions.

i would imagine that if the alternative is a rabid western kill-force bent on instrumentalising your geography and monopolising your resources, then maybe even loons like the taliban start looking better, at least they speak the language.

lose-lose...till we get out the killers and replace them with genuine aid that has a transparent, entirely sustainable agenda.

obama will doubtless make that his first priority.

mcpain or shrillary, i don't go there...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 03:00:02 AM EST
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