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The Taleban? none of our business. It's the internal politics of a nation state, Where do we get the right to chose another countries government.

 Al Quaeda? We could always have shown the evidence we had to the Taleban, and allowed a trial in a neutral country. After all if we're sop convinced we're right it wouldn't have hurt.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 03:59:33 PM EST
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Trial in a neutral country?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 04:02:31 PM EST
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well I suppose that bush "wasn't too concerned about him"  so A trial would just be an expense.  Why not a trial?

or is it just that you think there's nowhere sufficiently neutral?

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 04:11:22 PM EST
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I don't even know from what side I should attack this. I mean it's so...

Like law matters an ounce in international relations! Like anyone would trust the verdict! Like al-Qaida wouldn't fight to the death against anyone who tried to arrest them! Like you could turn over evidence without compromising vast amounts of intelligence! Like the Americans would put their indepence in the hands of some international organization, whithout any kind of that precious legitimacy!

Et cetera ad infinitum.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 05:40:16 PM EST
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when it mattered. So around 1900.

Gemach, gemach
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 06:32:48 PM EST
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If a state wishes to act against an individual, or organisation of Individuals, then they have an Obligation to prove their alegations. Otherwise, if a state isn't willing  to prove its case, then It's Murder Plain and simple. Last time I checked Al-Quaida wasn't a country so appealing to International relations dosn't cut it as a reason. as for American Independence, how does this remove American Independence, and why should US law extend to other countries without them being willing to show a proper range of evidence to obtain extradition?

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 07:38:42 PM EST
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Here. Here it is:

Like law matters an ounce in international relations!

The core of the matter. Might makes right.

On this basis, terrorism, genocide and anything the fuck else you like is legal.

Insanity consists of doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting different results.

Vicious idiots and arrogant fools.

t! Like al-Qaida wouldn't fight to the death against anyone who tried to arrest them!

So they die. At least "we" would have  tried to do it right. Instead "we" decided to play their game, legitimising their rules, legitimising them as a worthy opponent of the "West".

Like you could turn over evidence without compromising vast amounts of intelligence!

What's it for if you can't use it?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 at 08:31:18 AM EST
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Actually, yes. Or a sufficiently neutral US court, if such a thing still exists.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 04:17:58 PM EST
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