European Tribune - Comments - Early Open Thread

Lissen up, bubba, ya hear. yuh g'wine batmouth da peeples, i'm gonna see ya down the crossroads.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:15:27 PM EST
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No. you're mixing southern black and Appalachian white, not Mississippian. Mississippians are fixin' ta go to the polls and give all y'all a real nice showin'. Yessah, gonna be a right fine night. Massa Clinton ain't go' be none too proud, though.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:22:20 PM EST
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Ain't nothin' to worry about, though. Them ol' Mississippi Democrats is jussa buncha no-good polecats.

You see?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:25:11 PM EST
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Massa Clinton is the lady in the couple? Or Bill?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:28:07 PM EST
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It's Bill. Hillary would be Miss Hill'ry. Gotta address the man of the house first in Mississippi. Very early-1900s.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:30:58 PM EST
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"Massa" would obviously be Southernspeak for "Master," hence it's Bill.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:32:12 PM EST
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That's what I thought. Childhood reading. Unca' Tom's Cabin. (No, not Mississippi.) Tom Sawyer/Huck Finn? (Honky childhood reading...)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:39:26 PM EST
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"The Awful German Language" by Mark Twain

Hey, afew, don't you go getting all Samuel Clemens on us.

Unless

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:56:15 PM EST
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Huh? German is... (none / 0)

slipshod and systemless

Perhaps I should read all of it and find he's joking.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 03:00:22 PM EST
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Re: Huh? German is... (none / 1)

Twain (IIRC) also wrote a piece where he lamented the French translation of one of his stories, which he then proceeded to translate back into English word-for-word, with humorous results...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 03:04:10 PM EST
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Re: Huh? German is... (none / 1)

"Gretchen.
Wilhelm, where is the turnip?
Wilhelm.
She has gone to the kitchen.
Gretchen.
Where is the accomplished and beautiful English maiden?
Wilhelm.
It has gone to the opera."

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 03:28:32 PM EST
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Ah, "Unca'" is another good one.

Should be a fun night in Mississippi. We'll see who wins between "B'rack O-BAM-uh" and "Hill'ry Clint'n".

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 03:02:26 PM EST
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http://www.pbs.org/speak/seatosea/americanvarieties/southern/

Well then, Sir, I believe I'm going to mogitate myself onwards, down to the flanks of the river, where I do believe there's a festival of tap dancing with some truly great feats, uhhh, feets. Damn, these intertuves are certainly hard on the inflection component. Miss Maude, would you please pour me another of those dialecticious mint juleps?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:30:37 PM EST
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y'offglide ??? (none / 1)

There were some examples of Mississippi speech in the paper this morning, can't be bothered looking to see which, where they used the word "y'offglide". But they didn't explain, we were supposed to guess.

What on earth does that mean ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:31:15 PM EST
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Re: y'offglide ??? (none / 0)

I think it refers to the way Southerners pronounce their i's, as when Edwards says "Ah will fahght for you" ("I will fight for you"). Not sure, though.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:35:35 PM EST
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Re: y'offglide ??? (none / 0)

...adding the obvious: I don't think "y'offglide" is an actual term we use but rather an explanation of pronunciation.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:40:02 PM EST
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Re: y'offglide ??? (4.00 / 2)

That's what it's about, though the y-offglide is absent in Southern accents. ("Mah" instead of "ma-y" for "my" - the vowel is similar, but in one pronunciation it glides into a terminal "y", in the other it remains open: "mah").

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 02:53:58 PM EST
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Re: y'offglide ??? (none / 0)

Yep, there ya go.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 03:03:57 PM EST
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Re: y'offglide ??? (none / 1)

Explained here, y'all.

Karen in Austin

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 05:51:49 PM EST
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Re: y'offglide ??? (none / 1)

Ahhhh, thank you.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 06:01:21 PM EST
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Re: y'offglide ??? (4.00 / 2)

Now all y'all -- "all y'all" is the plural form of "y'all," by the way -- get it.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:18:14 PM EST
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This is an english-only site, non? n/t (none / 0)

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 03:41:49 PM EST
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non, obviousement. (none / 1)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 05:46:47 PM EST
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I'm here.

(Be afraid. Be very afraid.)

Hi Jen!!!!!

(On the chance the 'Snooze-button' is off. Unlike the last time. :-)

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:28:27 PM EST
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Heh.

Hi AT!!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent, so what's your call tonight?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:32:17 PM EST
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Polls close at 8PM East Coast time.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:34:27 PM EST
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Special Election in Indiana's 7th District tonight as well. Currently 17 of 445 precincts reporting:

Jon Elrod(R) 52%
Andre Carson(D) 45%
Sean Shephard(L) 3%

Presumably the "(L)" for Shephard mean Libertarian. Could be stripping Elrod's votes away. Fingers crossed.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:37:58 PM EST
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Carson now on top! Woohoo!

Carson 50%
Elrod 47%

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:50:41 PM EST
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Know of any polling?

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:55:56 PM EST
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No, but it had been held by a Dem previously. It's essentially the Indianapolis metro area.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:57:27 PM EST
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Aw, shoot.... brain fart.

This is Judy Carson's grandson running to replace her.

Carson is going to win this one.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:59:39 PM EST
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Too early to call, according to Olbermann, but Obama leads.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:02:36 PM EST
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Polls close at 8 EST -- IIRC, so we should get some results pretty soon.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:03:49 PM EST
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That should be attached to the Mississippi primary discussion not the Indiana election.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:04:56 PM EST
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Obama's going to win this by a pretty wide margin (no surprise). Our prediction was pretty dead-on per the exit polls.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:07:40 PM EST
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20% reporting and 51/46 Carson/Elrod.

I assume the solid Carson precincts, from the metro area, will report last ... they always do so this looks like a yawner.

But ya never know.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:18:29 PM EST
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Probably so. ManfromMiddletown would have a good idea of it.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:21:23 PM EST
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I haven't had the time to do any research 'On the Ground,' as it were for either election, so take with much salt:

Mississippi: 60/40 Obama/Clinton with the vote being split along color lines.

Indiana: I have no idea

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:48:17 PM EST
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That sounds about right on Obama/Clinton. The electability question in exit polling seems to support roughly that outcome:

Most Electable (per Tweety):
Obama 62%
Clinton 38%

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:52:32 PM EST
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After Reading the Thread (4.00 / 2)

Well pone my corn and hush my puppies.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 07:32:14 PM EST
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Wow, huge racial split:

White Men
Clinton 69%
Obama 30%

White Women
Clinton 74%
Obama 26%

Black Men
Obama 93%
Clinton 7%

Black Women
Obama 89%
Clinton 11%

Give or take a few points, it should, indeed, come in at about Obama 60%-40% Clinton.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:06:40 PM EST
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What do you expect? It's Mississippi.

Tho' Obama is doing better among White men and women than Clinton among Black men and women.

Spin Prediction: any southern state whose name ends in a vowel doesn't count.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:10:57 PM EST
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Part of the reason is because 11% of voters were white Republicans, and they split 85-15% for Clinton (surprise, surprise). Obama actually did quite respectably among white Indies and liberals.

I expected the dramatic racial split in Mississippi. I still don't quite grok why it was just as dramatic in South Carolina while whites roughly split between the two in Georgia. Georgia has the young white professionals in ATL, Macon, Augusta and Savannah, but SC has the same in Charleston and the other good-sized cities.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:16:45 PM EST
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I was in the south, as a young lad, during the last years of Jim Crow.

You do NOT want to know my opinion regarding white Republicans in Mississippi.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:23:46 PM EST
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Most of my family is from a very little, very white, and ridiculously racist town in northern Georgia called Ila. I assure you I know what you mean. Add to that they're 60 miles NE from the country's emerging Black Mecca, and your imagination is all you need.

And, needless to say, we don't communicate much with them. Jim Crow never packed it in in Ila, Ga.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:26:37 PM EST
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Plus, I went to Florida State, my liberal oasis within spitting distance of South Georgia and Alabama.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:28:17 PM EST
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With 0% of precincts reporting and the vote split 0/0 McCain/Huckabee CNN has called Mississippi for McCain.

LOL

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:14:36 PM EST
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Feel the Huckaboom!

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:17:15 PM EST
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Huckabust is more like it.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:27:31 PM EST
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Nonsene! McCain is in his last throes!

And remember: He didn't major in math. He majored in miracles.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:29:05 PM EST
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CNN has the following voter break-out:

DEM:

42% Male
58% Female

17-29 13%
30-44 25%
45-59 32% (!)
60+ 29%

GOP:

53% Male (expected)
47% Female

17-29 10%
30-44 19%
45-59 26%
60+ 45% (expected)

The age/percentage demographics don't bode well for the future of the GOP in Mississippi.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:48:06 PM EST
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So the plurality of Dems were late-Boomers and Generation X. Not terribly surprising. I guess our plan should be to simply outlive the GOP there.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:52:32 PM EST
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Mass murder is generally considered immoral and is certainly illegal, so I guess we gotta. ;-)

Not too happy with the 17-29 demographic as it is only DEM+3 but I'll take the rest.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:56:18 PM EST
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Yes, but the universities were on Spring Break. It probably would've been closer to 20% otherwise.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:57:48 PM EST
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MSNBC calls for Obama.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:19:43 PM EST
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So does CNN

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:29:49 PM EST
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Ah, the terrorists must be dancing in the streets. /snark

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:33:36 PM EST
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This is going to get boring.

Carson is leading 52/45 and Obama's won Mississippi.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:38:58 PM EST
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They've already moved on. Clinton is getting ripped on Olbermann nonstop over the Ferraro comment. Allegedly the same on CNN. Superdelegates are apparently furious, and she was already, I'd guess, inches from pushing Pelosi over the edge.

She really needs to back down from that. Like, yesterday.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:42:02 PM EST
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Clinton has run the worst campaign in modern memory. She has ploughed a 20% national lead into the ground.

Any book focusing on her in the 2008 Dem nominating process needs to be called The Worst and the Stupidest.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:51:31 PM EST
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That was Jonathon Alter's take: The worst campaign in modern American history. Really, if the roles were reversed, Obama would be gone, but the Clintons make for such a juicy story that the press won't let them die.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:54:56 PM EST
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This is the Clinton/DLC last hurrah ... so I understand why she is hanging in. But God help the Dems if she gets the nomination 'cuz she'll screw-up the Presidential election campaign in the same, and new & interesting, ways.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:03:38 PM EST
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She can't take the nomination without civil war in the party, at this point. Blacks have bailed on her, not only in the primaries, but a larger and larger share are now undecided in general election polls. Young people would walk. Losing those two groups makes November unwinnable.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:05:29 PM EST
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Unless she wins the nomination she's done as a national politician. Too many attacks on too many people.

I agree, if she wins the nomination she loses in November and is done as a national politician.

So, either way, she's done.

I don't know if the Clinton/DLC faction has realized that yet. I suspect not, given how clueless they've been in the nominating campaign.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:11:16 PM EST
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Well, either they don't realize it, or they're trying to wreck his chances in November. I know it's very tinfoil-hat of me, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:16:29 PM EST
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The Clintons are vindictive enough and they have the spinmeisters to put the message out there. But, really, who gives a damn what James Carville says?

The PLEOs aren't about to go down with the Good Ship Clinton and if Obama comes to Denver with the majority of delegates then he will get the nomination.

huh

Looking over this post I see I've concluded Obama is going to get the nod.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:22:06 PM EST
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Short of a career-ending mistake, he's going to walk into Denver with the most delegates.

I still think she's going to pay with the superdelegates for the Ferraro comment if Ferraro doesn't back off.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:24:48 PM EST
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What's interesting is Clinton has to go to Ferraro for find a surrogate. I mean ... jeez ... talk about Who Cares?

The only thing I can think of is Clinton is trying to incerase her take of the 40+ woman vote.

(Dinner time, back in a bit.)

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:33:59 PM EST
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Nah - the Lady Macbeth thing is just too fun to watch.

I hope she continues. Trying to guess how far she'll go before the wheels fall off - it's like a soap opera, only interesting.

Well. Kind of interesting in a Liveleak kind of a way. ('Ooh - train wreck...')

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 08:58:54 PM EST
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Olbermann is doing one of his Special Comments tomorrow on the Clinton Campaign.

Now I'm really tempted to say it's over.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:01:31 PM EST
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Not over till the dumb lady quits.

Or something.

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:05:52 PM EST
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Yes, but that's likely to be a pretty big blow given Olbermann's status among liberals.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:09:08 PM EST
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My pipe-dream is she continues to Denver, using all her chips to get there, and then lose.

I really want the Clintons to just. go. away.

(And with their little Chelsea too.)

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:16:23 PM EST
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LOL

I was all for the "Hands-off Chelsea!" line until that nasty outburst she had at a student in Wisconsin. "Clairvoyance" and all that, you know.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 at 09:19:07 PM EST
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