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I did not really assign any priority between wind and nuclear, and the arguments I presented don't really either.

As you know, I'm favorable to nuclear, but would still rank it after wind - while saying that it's a necessary part of the mix, at least for the next generation (30-40 years).

As to your point about eliminating gas use, I doubt it's possible or desirable - as the most flexible source, it makes sense to keep gas-fired plants for peak demand, and rapid system adjustments. But that can happen with plants that have only 5-10% effective capacity rates in fine, so the gas consumption will be quite low altogether. I agree that this applies to France as well.

A medium term solution will be the development of things like plug-in hybrid cars, which can provide a LOT of decentralised storage capacity to the network.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 02:05:26 PM EST
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I did not really assign any priority between wind and nuclear, and the arguments I presented don't really either.

The last three paragraphs seem to be arguing for leaving a place for wind besides nuclear, which does establish order, but as I implied, I realise you are addressing more vehement nuclear advocates there.

As you know, I'm favorable to nuclear, but would still rank it after wind

Yes, and half of my comment aimed to explore how that ranking should be expressed in practice (with the rest ruminating about whether it even could, with the policy tool at discussion).

as the most flexible source, it makes sense to keep gas-fired plants for peak demand, and rapid system adjustments

Yes, I agree, but in what timescale are you thinking? 10 years, 20 years, 50 years?

A medium term solution will be the development of things like plug-in hybrid cars, which can provide a LOT of decentralised storage capacity to the network.

But they would also mean a significant increase of overall electricity consumption.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Mar 4th, 2008 at 05:19:44 AM EST
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Perhaps this is the place for a graph illustrating a difference between German and English terminology, which came up between us over a year ago.

In English, "baseload" is all the pre-determined power. In German, only the constant part of it, while "medium load" is the pre-determined variable power. The first is typically nuclear, lignite and hydro, the second typically [hard] coal; and peak load typically gas and hydro. The issue of balancing also covers the "medium load" part, not just peak load. On the medium term, much of the "medium term" may migrate to peak load and thus gas.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Mar 4th, 2008 at 06:56:10 AM EST
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which came up between us over a year ago.

Found it, it was when we discussed geothermal.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Mar 4th, 2008 at 10:19:28 AM EST
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As usual, it seems Sweden uses the German model too.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Mar 4th, 2008 at 11:08:20 AM EST
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