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The addition of a nuclear sub to the attack group implies the ability to move directly to full scale nuclear war.

I don't think so. The point of nuclear armed subs is that they can lob their nukes from anywhere. I don't see what is added by being local.

And of course the point of them is that you don't know where in the world they are so the only point in telling people is to ramp up psychological pressure.

Any nuke ever used (God help us!) would be a bomb delivered by plane, I suspect, or a cruise missile.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 at 09:56:49 AM EST
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I think this is probably a bit of an overreaction, there's two basic types of Nuclear sub, either your Ballistic missile submarine, and they only need to be within 5,000 miles of their target. and your standard attack submarine, armed with torpedos and cruise missiles. So they wouldn't need to pass through the canal to fire

No major power in their right mind would transit a ballistic armed sub through the canal on the off chance that  that a local power decided to take a quick route to Nuclear weapon armed status, I think we can safely say that it's one of the little ones, of which there are probably two or three in the area already.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 at 10:57:48 AM EST
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Either kind is sufficient for theater nuclear war.  And yes, both kinds of subs are armed.  

There is no worry at all about Egypt hi-jacking a sub.  When our puppet government in Cairo joins the Islamic suicidists, then there might be cause.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 at 03:41:29 PM EST
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Besides, the nuke in question is just "plain vanilla" attack sub, LA-class, part of a whole battle group that went through suez.

Deployment of an SSGN would be news, but you will never know: they rotate crews in Diego, pretty close, no canal to the gulf, no port visit.

Right now, I think 3 SSGN are up, one is on port visit in south korea, one just received a new crew in diego in the past week. Maximum 2 on location in the coming weeks.

Pierre

by Pierre on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 at 11:00:34 AM EST
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I don't see what is added by being local.  

What is added is reduction in time.  The attack will have to go VERY fast.  Close placement enables this.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 at 03:44:43 PM EST
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