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Sen Cato's "Carthago delenda est" was even less than sabre rattling, but when the Romans got the chance, Carthage was annihilated blandly.

Very likely, neocon pants are shivering, but they can (and probably wish to) talk themselves into utter craziness. If the markets and economy collapse, they have one way out of shame...

by das monde on Wed Mar 26th, 2008 at 12:01:40 AM EST
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Quite true, and your point is the only plausible scenario for the Bush administration. Still, with the consequences relatively serious for the world, the key indicator to watch should be the economy-

A total meltdown, or an undeniable indication of a coming one, and the balloon goes up.

Are we pretty close to that point now?

In answer to the question posed--it seems to me that nuke use will be a diplomatic catastrophe for the US (perhaps  fairly near the Nocon's apocalyptic desire) and the death of Atlanticism, since it is hard to imagine any EC nation supporting such an act. Not so much for mopral; reasons, though I not so cynical as to discount that, but because it's totally idiotic.

I say again, the Empire can (and will) villainize anyone,with their tame media, when they need a scapegoat. Like Now.

 As an essential policy component, one must be sure to NOT be that villain. Let the Chinese eat that one, they are saying, I think. That seems pretty much obvious to me, and I'd bet that such considerations are discussed in the seats of policy Europewide. A European Marshall plan? TALK of such a thing? Would be a good vaccination for the disease of villany that the US will surely sow.

Nonetheless, I still don't see it, unless the Bush admin has just chosen to go it naked-- without even a real fig leaf. The abruptly released NIE just blew away all the old foliage.
Note that they will classify the next one, and not even provide a "sanitized" public version.  

"There is mysterious music in democracy, when people decide to believe in themselves." ---Bill Greider, The Nation.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 at 05:50:32 AM EST
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The other issue is getting people to do their bidding on this one? Above board miltary orders are one thing  - though you might see a certain level of officers resigning commissions in the face of insanity - but any black ops could be difficult to arrange. I'm not sure that it would be good for your career to be involved in the last gasps of a lame duck, especially if the next president isn't McCain. Stuck with that disaster they might go looking for scapegoats.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 at 06:07:52 AM EST
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Is anyone keeping track of the string of military resignations during Bush' term. Is there a higher rate than "background"?

It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 at 06:10:47 AM EST
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There was an article in the salon I think a couple of weeks ago about resignations at captain level making it difficult to recruit the next generation of senior officers, but I haven't seen figures at a higher level. Those figures have to be public though.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 at 10:47:40 AM EST
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geezer in Paris:
In answer to the question posed--it seems to me that nuke use will be a diplomatic catastrophe for the US (perhaps  fairly near the Nocon's apocalyptic desire) and the death of Atlanticism, since it is hard to imagine any EC nation supporting such an act. Not so much for mopral; reasons, though I not so cynical as to discount that, but because it's totally idiotic.
You're such an optimist.

It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 at 06:12:18 AM EST
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