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Ah looking again I can see now that it was bounced off the ceiling.  I don't think my flash has an option to narrow the beam but there must be other ways of doing that. I'll have to try the wide angle lens for this sometime.  Thanks for asking for me.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 10:05:25 AM EST
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You could for instance just have a sleeve of black paper wrapped around the flash head that made a tunnel. The edges of the shadows would start abruptly un a direct flash, but when the tunnelled flash is bounced off the ceiling it makes a kind of domed lghting that spills into shadow without a sharp edged distinction bteween lit and shadow.

As we've discussed before, bounced light depends quite a lot on the material you are bouncing off and its position. A high white ceiling will allow the upwards flash to spread more and thus cover a wider area. A low ceiling (as in the room where I was) limits the spread of the flash. If the ceiling is any other colour/material than white, that colour will give a colour cast on the illuminated area. Luckily there are not too many green ceilings ;-)

A gloss as opposed to a matt ceiling surface will also change the quality of the light. You can also bounce off walls and get a nice side soft light. And if you want the Degas stage underlight light effect, you can bounce off a white floor!  As usual there are no real rules, you just have to try 'em out. The more pictures you take, the more you get an instinct for what would be right in a given situation.

But it is also useful to analyze (rapidly) before you start taking photos in a particular situation. Try to think why a particuar scene has caught your eye. Try to find the essence of the scene. That might help you to decide where to stand in relation to the light and the subject, which lens, what depth of field etc. All of them work together to tell a story.

When you are there yourself, you see everything around you. Your photograph, though, will contain almost nothing of that everything. A person looking at it later will not have any of that other information. So you have to convey that feeling in any way you can. I think many people cannot distinguish between what they feel in a situation, and the feeling framed in the picture they are about to take.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 11:44:16 AM EST
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Analyzing what is in front of me and how best to make use of it is something that needs a lot more practice.  There are always loads of things I don't see until I have the shot in photoshop and then kick myself for missing something vital or obvious.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 12:02:42 PM EST
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Don't wory - it's normal. When I started out as a film cameraman, my cheeky assistant called me 'Babylegs' because my standard solution to anything boring was to take out the short tripod (babylegs in movie parlance) and shoot lying down. My other speciality was doing cheapo tracking shots on a blanket pulled by cheeky drawers. Excellent in hospital corridors, not so good on carpet.

I think Colman has probably fallen in love with babylegs already.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 12:20:18 PM EST
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Does your flash have a zoom head? Which one do you have?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 12:13:15 PM EST
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A zoom head?  I have the SB600 (or 500 maybe, can't remember).  So I can rotate the direction of the flash and I have a diffuser cap for it as well to soften the light.  I can alter the intensity of the flash easily too. It can be used wirelessly as well, away from the actual camera.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 12:15:44 PM EST
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Right. Get your manual. Look up controlling the zoom of the flash manually, set it to 85mm, take picture with wide-angle lens. You'll get something like that effect, but with the SB-800 and a 20mm on a D200 would need to put a snoot on it - which is the tube of black paper Sven is talking about above.

The photographer is using a Canon EOS-1D Mark II, so I guess he's got a Canon flash of some sort, which means he may or may not need to put a snoot on to get that effect.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 12:27:07 PM EST
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Snoot?!! lol.
I'll pull out the manual when I get home.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 12:43:33 PM EST
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Actually, I missed the explanation about bouncing it, which might explain the difference.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 12:44:30 PM EST
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A bouncing snoot?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 12:45:12 PM EST
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is the word, not snoot.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 01:32:16 PM EST
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Huh. The websites I've been reading don't agree.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 01:36:53 PM EST
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I have seen the snood spelling before though, I think.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 01:44:43 PM EST
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Here's one for you: cuculoris

I last used one while lighting a jungle scene.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 01:58:51 PM EST
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A specific type of gobo?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 02:14:34 PM EST
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A solid flag with an intricate organic pattern jig-sawed out of it. Imitates the effect of light through foliage etc.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 02:28:50 PM EST
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Snoot (as in snooty) is definitely proboscial

A snood is a kind of bag for the hair. My mother always called a net onion bag a snood. It evolved to refer to bands around the head and onward into movie use. Samuelson's rental catalogue in the 70's referred to snoods. My crew called them that, from movie use.

But I have to say the snoot etymology is more satisfying. ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 01:52:26 PM EST
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