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This could have been a good shot had I not forgotten to move the filter round when I turned the camera on it's side.  It made me wonder if the grad filter would have been better placed in the bottom half of the shot to darken the cloud or would it have been better off without?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 03:02:47 AM EST
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The only filter I have ever used for outdoor photography is a polarizing filter and I don't even have that choice for my point-and-shoot.  So my suggestion is to consider filters just something else to stop carrying around. Anything worth using a filter for can be probably simulated in Photoshop.

But this picture is actually about the most interesting of questions when shooting outdoors--waiting for light.  In this case, the sun is probably going behind the clouds for short time periods--you can tell because there's a big patch of blue.  In such a case, you should wait for the light because otherwise the picture is essentially spoiled--because there is not enough (or the wrong kind) light on wall and the flag.

However, if the flag is in the shadow of the building and will be for say, the next six hours, waiting is impossible.  In such a situation, you must make do.  In my film days, I would bracket the shot with f-stops on either side of my best exposure guess.  If you do this digitally, you may have pictures that are easier to manipulate in Photoshop.  In this case, I would choose to work with the picture that gave me the best detail of the stone wall.

Another thing you can try is to "change" the background by moving around a bit.  There may have been an angle here where the flag is in front of the big white cloud.  That may have helped the composition and it might have made it easier to Photoshop.  In any case, you give yourself a few more options if you find yourself constrained in other ways (you're in a tour group, your kids are furious that you have stopped again to take a picture, etc. etc.)

But if your goal was to show a blustery cold spring day, you succeeded.  I can assure that I have nothing so warm to wear that I would have wanted to wait very long for the light.

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by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 05:01:56 AM EST
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I really should make more use of my polarizing filter.  I have one and it is easy enough to use but I instinctively take out the grad filter each time. I didn't have the tripod with me but bracketing is another thing I need to think about more often.

I think I took the photo from that angle since that was where the flag was billowing such that I could catch the dragon. Easter monday with 20 tourists in my way and an impatient friend getting cold, as you say constrains the time and composition!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 05:41:49 AM EST
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My dad was a big fan of the polarizing filter.  He took a lot of pictures in the Midwest where there was often a lot of water in the air during the summer.  This would introduce a haze that would lower the detail of clouds.  In the black and white days, he would used a red or yellow filter to put the definition back into the clouds.

When color came along, hanging a red filter in front of the lens seemed especially pointless.  Happily for my father, the polarizing filter had just gone on sale when he made his first serious moves to color.  And it works MUCH better than a colored filter anyway--it doesn't do anything about the water in the air, but it does make it possible so the light the humidity is reflecting doesn't show up in your picture.

His nature photography lenses had their own polarizing filters that almost never came off.  And you don't CAN turn them "off" if they start causing problems like eliminating the reflections on the surface of water, for example.

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by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 05:13:26 PM EST
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Your last sentence doesn't make sense?

I still use red and yellow filters on B&W film: these are the black and white days!

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 05:18:11 PM EST
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Yes, but now black and white is a choice!

As for making the surface of water disappear--that is a known hazard of polarization.  I knew a guy who almost killed himself landing an airplane on a lake--turns out he was breaking in a new pair of polarized flying glasses and the word had not yet spread about some of polarization's drawbacks.  With the lens filter, of course, you just rotate the front glass 90° and you are back to the "real" world.

"Remember the I35W bridge--who needs terrorists when there are Republicans"

by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 06:32:34 PM EST
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I will make a mental note to use it more.  I have decided to keep a scrapbook of useful tips and thoughts regarding photos.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 at 05:22:38 PM EST
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Waiting for light is a cultural decision, IMHO.  My father and I had a serious disagreement over the practice when he waited four DAYS for light in the Grand Tetons.  I was a teenager and I was bored silly.

So I have spent some time collecting strategies for getting the best pictures under the circumstance.  And of course, the best strategy is to go out with your camera when the light is most likely to be good.  Unfortunately, many photogenic sites are closed during golden hour.

"Remember the I35W bridge--who needs terrorists when there are Republicans"

by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 03:49:36 AM EST
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Thanks for all the tips, your contributions have been great.  Must say, I'm not hardcore enough to wait 4 days for the right light!  I hope he got a bloody good photo from that.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 at 03:57:23 AM EST
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