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Not bad, though his attitudes to work seem polluted by the work ethic thingy that's so popular. I need to reread what he says about advertising.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Mar 31st, 2008 at 01:37:16 PM EST
Yeah- saw that too. Superficial. The hard part is even getting the discussion started, since the corporate SPCA attacks anyone for Sacred Cow abuse who touches it..
Perhaps he avoided several land mines in the interest of promoting that task.

Tecnopolitical opened this door- after Sven busted the lock off, in his "Quality of life" diary. "Buying Happiness" has several links to more rigorous pieces that deal with the subject, but they are sub-only, by and large. Layard cuts the crap away and makes the subject a lot more readable. Not definitive.

I think most of us here would agree that market capitalism-dominated globalization, along with the profit model that hinges on growth by externalizing hidden costs, are based on resource pillage, and appeared to work in a world that is forever gone. Layard and Technopolitical's references point out that it never really did work- if by working you mean enabling (not generating) happiness. Advertising was (and remains)the prime vehicle that seemed to prove that it was (and remains) the only zero-sum game in town. Advertising's ability to promote this nonsense notion depends on an ahistorical educational base.

For many centuries, it was the "Commons" that kept us alive.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Apr 1st, 2008 at 04:00:30 AM EST
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I'm convinced that some sort of control needs to (re?)placed on advertising, but I don't know how or what. Regulating toxic advertising without undue restraint on speech or expression is complicated.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Apr 1st, 2008 at 05:19:36 AM EST
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Yes. Tough nut.
I've dreamed on this for decades- the closest I've been able to come is a "Truth in Advertising" concept- there are a dozen ways this might be done, but they all quickly morph, in the commercial mind, into outraged howling about freedom of speech--as if freedom to lie was the same thing. It should be possible to require factual accuracy in many hard product adverts, perhaps in the form of documentation that the viewer can request, with penalties for distortion or outright bullshit. Perhaps design an obligatory disclaimer for those paid spots that are not- so easily distinguishable as opinion or ideology,---yes, thin. But this is at the heart of the problem, I agree.

Got good ideas?

If you read the lectures, crime relates strongly to mobility, mobility to loss of trust. Ideas, norms can be too mobile also- too conveniently discarded--when inconvenient. I suggest that the loss of faith in human integrity is powerfully related to advertising.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Apr 1st, 2008 at 07:21:03 AM EST
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And advertising also represents a kind of mental 'mobility' that takes you out of your local culture. No coincidence I think that local papers overwhelmingly concentrate on information advertising: ie this is the name of the product or service, this is what it does and this is what it costs.

However, TV advertising in large markets is carefully researched and tested and is thus customised for the particular audience. The existence of that audience is not the fault of a particular ad. It is the cumulative effect over a number of years in which envelope-pushing is tried, outdone and finally becomes 'normal' through prolonged exposure. But it is never ads alone that change a culture, they reflect other changes in society.

Take the development of the female 'bathing costume' over 100 years, from all-over cover to bikini (after the atoll), to topless to thong and beyond. Is this fashionistas pushing the envelope, or have there been deep changes in attitudes to sexuality within the whole network culture?

Whilst I gave up making TV ads around 20 years ago, (mostly because I found I was wasting life time on such futilities as spending a whole afternoon arguing about the colour of an unimportant dress), I think that there is no simple cause and effect with advertising. It is both a symptom and a precursor.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Apr 1st, 2008 at 08:00:59 AM EST
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The problem is, fundamentally, manipulation of the affective system rather than the cognitive, so I don't think truth-in-advertising would help all that much - who really believes ads cognitively anyway?

I have no good ideas here: how do you outlaw ads that subtly  suggest you're a bad parent for not buying a "safer" car?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Apr 1st, 2008 at 08:02:59 AM EST
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