Europe has another and better solution. The European Union is a "co-operative empire", a supranational authority in which every member state is subject to a common framework of laws, but also has a share in the making and administration of those laws.
stands against the nationalist sentiment of most British EU sceptics and British Europhobes.
These groups will fight tooth and nail not to make what you espouse as a solution happen.
In my own family and circle of relatives alone, there is a split over EU with one side believing that EU is the best way forward and the other being anti-EU.
It's hard to think of anything more contentious in the UK. I find that few people in my circle talk about it much, but when they do there happens to be some very strong opinions. Sometimes I feel that many of the opinions are second hand, and that they have not taken the time to consider things for themselves. Other times, I agree that they point out some very real flaws which are hard to apologise for. Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
The difference is that the media - and thus the debate - concentrate on the problems, not the positives.
They're not European, they never were and each passing treaty they prove it yet again.
Then we should fast track Scotland and Wales if they're interested in membership. Nil aon leigheas ar an ngra ach posadh
Not sure ghow marginal they are in Wales and Scotland. Any thoughts? Anyhow, the Scots with all that oil and gas may also have Norwegian reasons to not want to join.
Basic point is that I wouldn't want to tar Scotland and Wales with the same brush that the English so roundly deserve to be tarred with. Even the putatively "Europhile" English (see Tony Blair) aren't pro-European in any real sense. De Gaulle was is and always will have been right to not want them in. Nil aon leigheas ar an ngra ach posadh
And as in anything, there's always exception -- you will be doing great disservice to the English who are supportive of the EU, eg, half of my family. So, let's cool it, shal we?
I'll be joining you shortly... Nil aon leigheas ar an ngra ach posadh
Just note that there seems to be more than a bit of a problem with most English and their feeling of belonging to Europe. And, I'm sure, many of those English who now reside in France could always ask for an EU passport if ever their home country were to leave it. As long as they cheer for the right 6 nations team. Nil aon leigheas ar an ngra ach posadh
Note that the current UK Labour Government is run by a lot of Scots led no less by a Scot.
Somehow I'm not sanguine about how pro-European they will be left ot their own devices... Nil aon leigheas ar an ngra ach posadh
Scotman Blair had 10 years to his own devices and see where that got Britain on Europe.
If Blair is a Jock he's been throughly detribalised, though it's likely true he's unpopular enough to qualify for one of these passports Salmond will be issuing before long. Nil aon leigheas ar an ngra ach posadh
As long as they cheer for the right 6 nations team
As long as they cheer for the right 6 nations team.
Well that's me stuffed then. being born English. What happens if the more sever Welsh Nats take over decide to expell all English born people back to england and it's already left the EU? Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
That'd be up to the Welsh. Maybe require 'em to learn the language?
Plus, cheer for the right 6 nations team. Nil aon leigheas ar an ngra ach posadh
There are strong sovereignist Eurosceptics on the continent, too - from Austria to Flemish Belgium. And then there is the separate breed of Nordic Euroscepticism.
If you practice No True Scotsman-ism, you'll end up with 'Europe' as no more than the original EU-6. Or even less: in France, Le Pen is not so marginal, and you can add former Chevènement members and regrettably not a few hard-leftists to that. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
you'll end up with 'Europe' as no more than the original EU-6.
I dunno, I think we could properly add Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Finland, Sweden, Austria, maybe Denmark, probably Greece and even most of the "New European" (tm) nations for sure (some notable exceptions) and we'd end up with a proper Europe.
But the EU-6 would have been much easier to make a properly social Europe than the one which was expanded to include the Brits. That goes without saying.
And make it a properly social Europe and you won't find any lefties opposed to it anymore. Nil aon leigheas ar an ngra ach posadh
