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Are Finnish Imperial stouts 'Imperial' in the same way as Welsh Imperial vodka is?

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by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 4th, 2008 at 03:46:39 PM EST
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I don't know how Welsh vodka is Imperial, but the Stout was commissioned for the Russian Tsar, Peter the Great

When Peter the Great opened Czarist Russia to the West in the early 18th century, dark ales called "Porter" were all the rage in England. Porters, named after the working class who devoured them, were relatively easy-drinking brews with a small percentage of highly roasted malt. The result was a dark brown, toffee-flavored libation fit for mass consumption. Arthur Guinness took the idea to Ireland, increased the dark, coffee-tinted profile and added "Extra Stout" to his label, thus creating another new beer style.

Peter the Great fell in love with stouts during his 1698 trip to England, and he requested that some be sent to the Imperial court in Russia. Much to the embarrassment of the English, the beer had spoiled somewhere along its tedious thousand-mile journey! Determined as always to save face, the Barclay brewery of London came to the rescue by rapidly increasing the amount of alcohol and hops for their second effort. The result was an inky black concoction with enough warmth and complexity to immediately become a sensation throughout Russia. The "Russian Imperial Stout" had been born and quickly became popular throughout European Russia.

I might quibble with some of that, but the gist is mostly right.


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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 4th, 2008 at 05:10:40 PM EST
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What is the difference between a stout and a porter?, and more specifically a "Russian Imperial Stout" (of which I've never heard but am going to run out and get) and something like Baltika 6 (which I like but can't find anywhere around here).

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by poemless on Tue Mar 4th, 2008 at 05:21:32 PM EST
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Porter was originally known as "Entire". A mix of "mild", a fresh, ie not sour, strong low-hopped beer, "Old" which is a beer about 6 months old, I think you're familiar with Duchesse du Borgogne, something like that and "Stale" which is something like a lambic beer, 5 years old at least.

The beer would be dark, sweet and sour and Porters have generally evolved to be kinda sweetish, but the sour component has been phased out for commercial reasons.

Stout evolved from the most alcoholic combinations of Porter, originally being known as Stout (ie  strong) porter. In order to substitute for that fat alcoholic flavour (originally 7 - 9%) the hop rate is very high, resulting in a bitter flavour, a very different beastie from the sweeter porter.

Many craft breweries around the US do an Imperial Stout, I have one at home here to try. In Chicago, Rock Bottom seem to brew an Imperial Stout as do BJ's. Google Chicago and Imperial stout. Without having tried Baltika, I have a lot of respect for American craft brewers and doubt you'll be disappointed.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 4th, 2008 at 05:55:40 PM EST
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There was a place in Ann Arbor, MI that made an Imperial Stout on the premises.  I think it was 10%-12%, and was quite good.
by Zwackus on Wed Mar 5th, 2008 at 02:10:21 AM EST
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