Display:
the misunderestimated:
Jerome definitely has a great solution for the woes facing America.

As I understand it, that is a conventional banking solution leaving the existing institutions eg Central Banks in place. No deficit-based solution is IMHO mathematically sustainable in the long term.

Credit intermediaries aka Banks are - like all intermediaries - obsolescent in the age of the Internet and the direct "peer to peer" connection that is the consequence.

That's the truth of it IMHO.

Keynes' proposal at Bretton Woods for an International Clearing Union and a "Bancor" style value unit is the only long term solution.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Mar 8th, 2008 at 07:39:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
FDR did it. whether it was really a total success we'll never really know. In my opinion it was a success primarily because it gave hope and confidence in a world that was reeling. pay for it with taxes.   Like I said its not really politically feasible in the States, at least not yet.

and most importantly the buying and selling of debt has to be regulated.  FDR regulated the banks, created inusrance for the banks, etc.. which calmed every thing down.  This now has to be updated to the modern financial system where there is too little transparency in the buying and selling of debt. The panic has been controlled so far, but it could get out of control soon.

Esperanza exists, its called English.  The Bancor system is a great idea which I support. I guess for now the Euro is all we have.

"Looking for my Lo and Behold" The Band

by the misunderestimated on Sat Mar 8th, 2008 at 08:43:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
my proposal was not about banking, but about a government-led effort to invest in energy-smart infrastructure (energy savings, renewables, network, public transport, etc...).

I said nothing about banking, but you know I disagree with you both on the way banking works right now (at least in the "old-fashioned" parts of the system) and more generally about the usefulness of intermediaries.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Mar 9th, 2008 at 08:25:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think we actually differ much at all.

It's "old fashioned" banking servicing Public (leaving aside differing views as to whether "Public" need be "State") investment that I advocate.

But I don't think that it is necessary - in fact it is downright inefficient - to have banks as intermediaries in the sense of middlemen.

Middlemen intermediaries are obsolescent - this is Migeru's Telluric / tectonic paradigm shift: credit unions are already being "napsterised" ( www.zopa.com etc) - Banks will be next.

I see Banks in the future as service provider intermediaries:

(a) managing the creation of bilateral credit and default pools funded by provisions (not a million miles away from "Trust Banking" eg Japan, TSB as was);

(b) bringing together investors with investment (not a million miles away from investment banking).

As I understand it, the latter is pretty much what you do.

What I am bringing to the table is simply the thought that the conventional deficit-based Financial Capital split between "Equity" and "Debt" may be reconfigured into new "asset-based" forms of Financial Capital that may work more effectively, and equitably.

The same banking disciplines will still apply: it's the "enterprise model" that changes.


"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Mar 9th, 2008 at 08:55:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Display:
Login
. Make a new account
. Reset password
Occasional Series