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European Tribune - Spanish Water Crisis About to Become a War?

The Acting Environment Minister, Cristina Narbona, repeated today in a telephone conversation with the Environment Counselor of the Generalitat, Francesc Baltasar, that the Government has rejected the diversion of water from the Segre River to the Llobregat watershed, and has asked the Catalan Executive Branch to study other alternatives such as purchasing water rights from farmers.


It'd be nice if the battle were only against the right wingers, not half of the left on top of that — François in Paris
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Apr 1st, 2008 at 05:30:20 PM EST
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Not quite. There may be legal issues like the US thirties era allocation scheme which require that, but in general I feel that water should be presumptively publicly owned with the government regularly auctioning it off. That's why I talked about the farmers bidding as well. For higher water intensity crops that will clearly be impossible in practice, however I see no more reason to subsidize water for them than I do to subsidize electricity for high energy input industries.
by MarekNYC on Tue Apr 1st, 2008 at 07:07:21 PM EST
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Quite simply, if you use auctions as your primary principle of water distribution, the poor will die of thirst and the rich will grow almonds in the desert.  

There has to be some sort of public water policy beyond survival of the wealthiest.

"My True Religion Is Kindness" -- The Dalai Lama

by JohnnyRook (johnnyrook1@gmail.com) on Tue Apr 1st, 2008 at 08:59:57 PM EST
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As this diary indicates, it doesn't exactly work out that way. The shortage isn't due to a lack of water overall at least as far as personal consumption goes, but the fact that a specific business sector is getting it a hell of a lot cheaper than average people wanting to take showers and flush their toilets.  And if it's anything like the US situation, a big part of the problem is growing water intensive crops in relatively low water regions.
by MarekNYC on Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 at 01:55:38 AM EST
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I don't think that water should be subsidized so that farmers can grow water intensive crops in the desert, however,not subsidizing water is not the same thing as auctioning it off.  Water is a basic human right and those cannot simply be sold to the highest bidder. There are plenty of countries in the developing world where auctioning water to the highest bidder would mean that it would all go to international corporations while poor people died of thirst.

You can use market mechanisms to allocate water but only if the proper public policies are in place.  Markets are good at setting prices but terrible at determining costs.

Catalonia and the American Southwest have in common that they do not have adequate water resources for the size of their populations.  And as Climaticide continues apace the situation will only worsen.

"My True Religion Is Kindness" -- The Dalai Lama

by JohnnyRook (johnnyrook1@gmail.com) on Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 at 03:20:50 AM EST
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I agree that in some places you would be right. However, in the case of both the southwest and here you are wrong - it is precisely because the problem isn't too much population for the water resources available, but rather a system that gives a small group the bulk of the water, that market allocation would mean a drop in the cost of water for your average consumer. But if you prefer to avoid the market that's fine with me, just have the government redistribute the water by fiat as they seem to be proposing.
by MarekNYC on Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 at 11:59:07 AM EST
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