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  1. A) I still don't understand why stagflation is scarier than a normal recession? After all, stagflation was resolved by "rebooting" the economy through an ordinary recession. So why is stagflation scarier than the recession that follows it, which is quite ordinary?

  2. B) Or are you saying that the recession that follows it isn't an ordinary recession in some respects, or that the cause for the end of stagflation isn't the "reboot" but the re-opening of supplies of whatever strategic resource was lacking during the stagflation?

  3. A) As an aside, Mig claims that there are simple technical measures that could be taken to combat inflation that are less likely to push the economy into a recession, but which are painful to bankers and therefore not taken. But the technical lingo involved escapes me at the moment.

  4. B) Something about increasing the amount of "real money" banks must have when they create fiat money, or somesuch. Would this work?

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 03:05:22 PM EST
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the oil taps.  That was then.  

Who can open the oil taps now?  

Recession may come, but will it go?  Your typical recession is due to imbalances in the financial system that find no other resolution.  The recession itself provides the resolution, taking some of the fantasy wealth off the table and allowing the remainder to resume functioning.  At that point the recession ends.  

But when a recession is caused by real, rather than symbolic problems, then the real conditions have to change.  If they cannot change, the recession does not end.  Ever.  

That was 1. A) & B).  

2.  Under the fractional banking system, banks are allowed to loan money they don't have.  This reduces stability by creating a positive feedback loop--which is sought.  This is the methedrine rush of Capitalism, the giddy feeling that everyone is getting rich that comes when easy loans create economic activity leading to more easy loans.  And, like ordinary street junkies, everyone likes this.  But when there is trouble, the same feedback loop amplifies into (a very methedrine-like) panic and depression, as loans are called in to pay loans that are called in made with money that never ever existed in the first place.  

The cure for this is to reduce the amount of loans banks can make with money they don't have.  This is done by raising the fractional reserve, the amount of assets they have to show per amount of loan they make. Everyone finds this makes finance boring.  How can you get rich?  They don't like it.  

by Gaianne on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 05:23:56 PM EST
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Thanks. Those're the parts I was missing.

But. If you're right about that, doesn't it mean that rather a lot of common economic wisdom is a load of horse manure?

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 11:33:28 AM EST
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The totality of conventional economic wisdom is horse manure because it is based upon horse manure assumptions.

These are many, and have been well documented here.

In particular, it assumes as "Value" something that is in fact its complete opposite - a "Claim over Value" created by Banks and based upon a small amount of "Regulatory Capital".

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Apr 27th, 2008 at 06:05:29 AM EST
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"doesn't it mean that rather a lot of common economic wisdom is a load of horse manure?"

I think that's a bit strong. Conventional economic analysis is based on a coherent set of assumptions about the way the markets behave. If you're happy with the idea that the strong, smart, criminal, hard-working people will control everything, the analysis works just fine. It's only when you apply concerns about equity and compassion that the system breaks down.

Do you think that the multi-millionaires who own (not "hold mortgates on") several mansions in various countries will be in trouble in a real estate market collapse? They will simply hold on to their property. Do you think that the CEOs of the defense industry will be in trouble if there are revolutions about food? They will simply adjust their factories to make more machine guns. Do you think that the rich in your town will care if there are street riots (as recently advocated by our foremost American talk show host, Rush Limbaugh)?
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/04/25/limbaugh_says_hes_dreaming_of_dnc_riot/4093/

No, they will simply call in the SWAT teams to break heads. "Let them eat cake" is, I believe, the motto of the capitalist leadership...

by asdf on Sun Apr 27th, 2008 at 12:03:14 PM EST
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We can see how difficult the US find it to subdue Iraq. I do not believe for one minute that they could subdue a recalcitrant US population in which the (armed!) middle and working classes had actually rumbled what had been done to them.
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Apr 27th, 2008 at 01:04:47 PM EST
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... and scarier than an expansionary inflation because instead of damaging the value of some portfolios of some wealthy, as either a recession or an expansionary inflation will do, it damages the value of almost all portfolios of almost all wealthy.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Apr 27th, 2008 at 06:12:12 PM EST
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