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I always thought Sartre was a pretentious nobody who was famous for being famous, for having a sexy girlfriend and for catching the mood of the 50s in a very timely but ephemeral way. True, he gets points for being a celebrity and a philosopher - a combination that's possibly less likely now. But if you're looking for depth and insight - not so much.

Sartre was a decent novellist in addition to being a lifestyle philosopher.

I took some philosophy classes but all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 07:20:14 AM EST
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Sartre was a decent novellist in addition to being a lifestyle philosopher.

Patronising punk :-) As in the case of Dawkins, have you actually read any of Sartre's "lifestyle philosophy"? If so, any specific comments ?

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 12:24:58 PM EST
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Hey, I was actually defending Sartre here. As for his philosophy, I don't actually remember if I read something directly or just read about his ideas from third parties. I did read some of his novels!

Anyway, if the history of philosophy class I took is to have any purpose at all, it must be to give some direction to the stuff I do and don't read! Can't read everyone's 900 page tomes!

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 02:25:40 PM EST
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OK, but calling him a "lifestyle philosopher" sounded like a putdown :-) You don't have to read 900 page tomes - he wrote lots of shorter, very readable works e.g. Existentialism is a Humanism, free at:

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/sartre/works/exist/sartre.htm

It's conclusion is a nice rebuke to Sarkozy and his (roughly) "France needs believers because it needs people who hope":


You can see from these few reflections that nothing could be more unjust than the objections people raise against us. Existentialism is nothing else but an attempt to draw the full conclusions from a consistently atheistic position. Its intention is not in the least that of plunging men into despair. And if by despair one means as the Christians do - any attitude of unbelief, the despair of the existentialists is something different. Existentialism is not atheist in the sense that it would exhaust itself in demonstrations of the non-existence of God. It declares, rather, that even if God existed that would make no difference from its point of view. Not that we believe God does exist, but we think that the real problem is not that of His existence; what man needs is to find himself again and to understand that nothing can save him from himself, not even a valid proof of the existence of God. In this sense existentialism is optimistic. It is a doctrine of action, and it is only by self-deception, by confining their own despair with ours that Christians can describe us as without hope.

 

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 at 04:48:04 PM EST
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