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I'm confused about the "even if a considerable contribution of second generation fuels is assumed." The biodiesel-from-algae enthusiasts claim that space is not a problem, only cost... For example, http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html
by asdf on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 08:44:43 AM EST
Since we don't have access to their full report, I'm assuming they are talking about cellulosic ethanol from forestry by-products, coppiced wood plantations, and grasslands.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 10:06:29 AM EST
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Reports you want???

Here's a summary of the state of the art in the U.S. as of about a decade ago, stalled because its cost was about twice that of $20 per barrel oil...

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/biomass/pdfs/biodiesel_from_algae.pdf

by asdf on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 01:05:44 PM EST
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I'm surprised market forces haven't got it up and running, with oil at five times that price!

I simply meant to try to explain what I think is behind the phrase I bolded: that the EEA is referring to cellulosic ethanol produced from land that is not prime arable, but takes up land surface all the same. Without reading their latest report, I can't be sure whether they considered algae or not. Since they're calculating land surface, it doesn't seem logical that they should. Though I can well understand there might be a contrary logic to that...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 03:34:14 PM EST
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... there are lab bench through to pilot plant implementations of a range of possible 2nd generation technologies. Both for production of biodiesel and low-heat, higher EROI production of cellulosic ethanol, 3rd generation biotic techniques would seem to be required before retaining 10% to 20% of current liquid fuel uses, in the form of biofuels, seems like it can come into the frame.


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by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 at 12:38:06 PM EST
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