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No. Subways and high-speed lines can be got started slow, but surface local rail usually goes in the same timeframe as local roads. (I would even say that highways are in-between high-speed and local rail in time requirement, but I don't know about highways in Spain.)

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by DoDo on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 05:43:55 AM EST
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Can we think of reasons why the companies might prefer to build roads?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 05:59:12 AM EST
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As Migeru indicated, they can own them and collect toll.

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by DoDo on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 06:00:21 AM EST
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Plus, sustain prior capacity without shifting to other type of construction.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 06:01:19 AM EST
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As Migeru indicated, they can own them and collect toll.

I must be missing something.  They can't own rail tracks and charge for riding them?

Plus, sustain prior capacity without shifting to other type of construction.

But if the point is using Keynesian spending to generate jobs in the first place, then isn't building new capacity -- especially in more natural resource and environmentally friendly transportation -- a good sort of "semi-waste"?

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by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 06:27:25 AM EST
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Plus, sustain prior capacity without shifting to other type of construction.

But if the point is using Keynesian spending to generate jobs in the first place, then isn't building new capacity -- especially in more natural resource and environmentally friendly transportation -- a good sort of "semi-waste"?

Right, but I asked about the companies.

Basically I would venture that the big construction firms in Spain are very politically influential and they've used that influence to shape these proposals.

They wanted roads because it fits more easily with their existing workforce and equipment.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 06:32:02 AM EST
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Absolutely.

Huge construction companies know how to build roads and high speed trains fast... but not conventional trains..

and unfortuantely.. very unfortutantely they do not know how to build ligth trains "en masse".

Actually I am not sure if any company in Europe could construct the amount of money proposed in light railways for suburban travel.

Underground is out of the question since it take years and not a lot of people are needed to build it compared witht the initial money (money it mostly goes to high-tech jobs related with building and keeping the huge machinery needed to make the tunnels).

Another sad point is that spanish companies do not have know-how on conventional train lines for commodities trasnport... it is like an underground for them..and they do it very slow... they do fast train lines faster than normal lines since thay were trained during the Madirid-Sevilla line 15 years ago.

So road.. and keeping with the high investment in wind energy, fast lines and some undergrounds (metros) under construction and housing rehabilitation (the really bright spot if it is done properly).

Plus 400 euros per person.... Keynnes.

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by kcurie on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 06:55:20 AM EST
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The capacity I mean is the construction company's capacity. They are set up to construct highways at a high pace (they also have capacity for high-speed railways and subways), meaning machines and men.

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by DoDo on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 06:32:07 AM EST
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