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Pardon away all you like. I don't think pardons apply to extradition treaties, and under the Convention against torture treaty (of which the US has signed and ratified) If you've got an extradition treaty about anything, it automatically includes torture.

All we need is a foreign government thats willing to step up to bat for freedom, say one that sufficiently pissed at being used for the transport of people on rendition flights through their territory.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 10:07:14 AM EST
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Have one in mind?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 10:11:28 AM EST
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Well till Yesterday, Italy looked a good candidate. Germany might be a good one

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 10:42:11 AM EST
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It's hard to think of any country which would do this.

It would really have to be Yurp, but between Burlesqueoni, Sarkozy, and GodKing Blair, I can't see it happening.

Also, it would have to be done in the US to restore whatever credibility it has left. So again - not happening. Much easier to accept the pardons and let the SCOTUS simper obsequiously.

In the end it's about president-as-totem. If you attack that, you're attacking the natural order - the one where the biggest thug takes everything, and has no responsibility to anyone unless they feel like being generous.

For all the nonsense about freedom and opportunity and hope, that's America's true red beating heart, and it's going to take more than someone like Obama to change that narrative.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 10:46:04 AM EST
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I  know, but let me think positive till the bastards out of office.

And I definitely agree that it would really have to be done in the states to restore any moral credibility to the US government

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 10:55:21 AM EST
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