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Can I make a really crazy suggestion?  Since Prisons are supposed to rehabilitate people, why not make a law that a prison will only be paid, or be paid a large bonus, if a prisoner doesn't re-offend within 5 years of being released?  That would provide a massive incentive to ensure that true rehabilitation, treatment and training facilities are provided within the Prison service.  Or is the whole system not even notionally about rehabilitation at all, and is it really about "cleansing" American society of undesirables?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 07:58:10 PM EST
Don't you know that felons forfeit all their rights, and that the ass rapin' they get in jail is fair game ? It's already too good for them that they get released !

i.e., the later part. I think most European legal systems consider that eventually all prisoners will get out, even the cruelest criminals ; e.g. there is no true perpetuity in French law, unlike "life without parole" in the US.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 08:06:05 PM EST
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Frank Schnittger:
Since Prisons are supposed to rehabilitate people

Prisons are supposed to make money, and give nasty lowlife CEOs and politicians someone to beat up on and exploit.

I don't think these people are seriously interested in rehabilitation.

It's not just the money - it's the sadism.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 08:45:09 PM EST
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Especially for the ones on death row.  The death penalty has nothing to do with deterrence and everything to do with the fact that some people like the idea of killing other people.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 08:47:20 PM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
It's not just the money - it's the sadism.

But why has this increased 10 fold in the past 30 years?  Sure, white supremicism is said to be rife amongst prison guards - is the prison system the last redoubt of officially sponsored race based prejudice and torture?  Somewhere for the racist hold-outs to congregate and practice their black arts?  A sort of human sink of hatred and domination?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Apr 18th, 2008 at 03:44:52 AM EST
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Not only what you say, but crime has turned from something some do to something others do.

The lower middle class used to live in urban settings, where it would be mingled with the lower classes ; thus some of the guys you knew from high school would end up doing some petty thievery, drug dealing, etc... but you knew the guy was essentially all right, and that he'd come out of jail, find a girl and correct his ways.

Now that anyone with a bit of money lives in suburbia, class segregation is much stronger - the poor are blacks or "white trash". You don't meet any of them in school or at the local bar. Thus the image of felons is entirely based on the fact that they committed a crime ; they are not people you might know, they are thus no longer really human beings.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Apr 18th, 2008 at 06:26:00 AM EST
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It was the Thatcher/Reagan revolution - it completely obliterated any sense of wider community, and replaced it with superficial and shallow class allegiances.

The wingers hate that sense of belonging to something which has elements they can't control, can't abuse and can't exploit.

It makes them feel ordinary and dirty. And they've done an excellent job of selling that neurosis to the middle classes.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Apr 18th, 2008 at 09:43:14 AM EST
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A perception aided and greatly enhanced by Hollywood action movies - incidentally, from the eighties.

Then again, even in films, one sees a certain prior development. I see the archetype of action heroes in Travis Bickle, the anti-hero/hero of Taxi Driver. (Yet, that was and remains a good film.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Apr 19th, 2008 at 04:22:02 PM EST
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Dirty Harry anyone ?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Apr 19th, 2008 at 07:03:50 PM EST
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Taxi Driver - 1976
Dirty Harry - 1971

...shows my cluelessness... (disclosure: though I know the character, I never saw any of Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry films.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Apr 19th, 2008 at 07:13:10 PM EST
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