Well, Turkey (PKK vs. the Turkish state).
I know you are arguing that without the safety net of NATO russophobia could explode.
No. I'm exploring the hypothetical that without the perceived safety net and after going anti-EU and far-right-wing Russophobia would explode.
So if Russians began being massacred by Poles
That's hardly likely. I was talking about the Baltics, and it doesn't have to be a massacre for Russia to consider doing something -- there could be further legal restrictions on citizenship rights, pushing people to move to Russia, and yes random hate crimes.
They'd probably play the energy card too.
Hmmm, that figures. But then I can imagine further escalation if the USA or the EU or private firms do emergency supply.
And I can't imagine the US intervening unilaterally on behalf of those commiting the ethnic violence. Well, unless they managed to convince America the Russians were Al Quaeda.
Ah, but it's much easier, don't be forgetful. Just think of Kosovo, think of the Krajinas in Croatia. In 1995, the US DID support the ethnic cleansers. They have to convince the public that The Russians Started It, and then it's just.
Also, what about 'intervening' already before the conflict, by establishing bases? *Traitor*, n. A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
You'll have to explain more. If I wasn't aware of it, I still don't know what NATO's policy is.
Right. Got it.
I was talking about the Baltics, and it doesn't have to be a massacre for Russia to consider doing something -- there could be further legal restrictions on citizenship rights, pushing people to move to Russia, and yes random hate crimes.
I'm sorry, that was unclear. Still the Baltics are also in the EU & Nato. You brought up civil war. I think it takes more than a hate crime to start that. You keep saying Russia would do something about some because of something. Vague enough for me to not be able to read your mind and yet be wrong ... heh.
Wait, are we or aren't we talking about ethnic violence? If you are talking about " legal restrictions on citizenship rights, pushing people to move to Russia, and yes random hate crimes" then how are they going to argue The Russians Started It? I'm not saying we don't support ethnic cleansers. I assumed we were talking about Poland (I see now we were not, sorry) because of Marek's comment. That has different emotional connotations for us. Nothing is impossible. But while I bet most Americans -like me- know nothing about the Krajinas, you say "ethnic cleansing in Poland" and everyone's on the same page. It's unconscionable. Talking about a country of people who go to Auschwitz for pilgrimages...
Also, what about 'intervening' already before the conflict, by establishing bases?
That wasn't what you asked.
Hey, what about NOT being Russophobic! Look at all of the bazillion hypothetical problems THAT would solve! Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Hey, what about NOT being Russophobic! Look at all of the bazillion hypothetical problems THAT would solve!
You mean if the pink alien unicorns would not be Russophobic? Yes, that is an interesting scenario.
Or maybe you meant our political leaders, but then it just gets so whacky unrealistic we could just as well assuming them to start acting in the common good.
I know that is not really what any country is saying.
But it seems to be the argument left standing in this game of "what would happen if NATO dissolved." Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
PS, you seem to be focussed on this war thing, but that's not what I was talking about.
