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Well, Turkey (PKK vs. the Turkish state).

You'll have to explain more.  If I wasn't aware of it, I still don't know what NATO's policy is.

No. I'm exploring the hypothetical that without the perceived safety net and after going anti-EU and far-right-wing Russophobia would explode.

Right. Got it.

I was talking about the Baltics, and it doesn't have to be a massacre for Russia to consider doing something -- there could be further legal restrictions on citizenship rights, pushing people to move to Russia, and yes random hate crimes.

I'm sorry, that was unclear.  Still the Baltics are also in the EU & Nato.  You brought up civil war.  I think it takes more than a hate crime to start that.  You keep saying Russia would do something about some because of something.  Vague enough for me to not be able to read your mind and yet be wrong  ... heh.

Ah, but it's much easier, don't be forgetful. Just think of Kosovo, think of the Krajinas in Croatia. In 1995, the US DID support the ethnic cleansers. They have to convince the public that The Russians Started It, and then it's just.

Wait, are we or aren't we talking about ethnic violence?  If you are talking about " legal restrictions on citizenship rights, pushing people to move to Russia, and yes random hate crimes" then how are they going to argue The Russians Started It?  I'm not saying we don't support ethnic cleansers.  I assumed we were talking about Poland (I see now we were not, sorry) because of Marek's comment.  That has different emotional connotations for us.  Nothing is impossible.  But while I bet most Americans -like me- know nothing about the Krajinas, you say "ethnic cleansing in Poland" and everyone's on the same page.  It's unconscionable.  Talking about a country of people who go to Auschwitz for pilgrimages...  

Also, what about 'intervening' already before the conflict, by establishing bases?

That wasn't what you asked.  

Hey, what about NOT being Russophobic!  Look at all of the bazillion hypothetical problems THAT would solve!

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Fri Apr 4th, 2008 at 02:38:10 PM EST
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Hey, what about NOT being Russophobic!  Look at all of the bazillion hypothetical problems THAT would solve!

You mean if the pink alien unicorns would not be Russophobic? Yes, that is an interesting scenario.

Or maybe you meant our political leaders, but then it just gets so whacky unrealistic we could just as well assuming them to start acting in the common good.

by A swedish kind of death on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 07:32:41 AM EST
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