Not addressing this to you, personally, Mig, but I just wanted to say:

What a minute.

zoe:

So why get little animals killed for no reason?  Especially since the neighbour seemed to enjoy the pigeons.

This seems a perfectly reasonable perspective to me.  I live in a town with pigeons, too, and I don't have any great desire to send cats out to kill them all.  And, having lived in Britain with plenty of pigeons around town, my first inclination if I didn't want to be near them was to, you know, move.

Poemless's comment and picture weren't worthy of a troll rating, but, at the same time, there's some real inconsistency here.  I seem to recall poemless's issues with the term "broad church" leading to many (who were clearly in the right on the term's meaning) getting chewed out for continuing to push the issue.  There, Jerome said to us, "Hey, poemless says it's hurts her, so stop," and people obliged.

Well, here I think the issue clearly bothers zoe, and not for an unforgivable reason.  But, rather than disagreeing with some reasoned response or dropping it, poemless (always clever) mocks zoe.  Not worthy of a troll-rating, but still obnoxious and insensitive.

Personally, even if killing animals were necessary in a given case, I wouldn't get excited about it, certainly not to the extent that I'd cheer the cats on, and certainly not given the neighbor's response.  (Honestly, that strikes me as cruel and a bit disturbed.)  Not really a "team" sport in my book, but, silly asshole that I am, I would tend to associate that kind of perspective with being just a few steps above the likes of Michael Vick.

Just a thought.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:31:27 PM EST
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Drew J Jones:

So why get little animals killed for no reason?  Especially since the neighbour seemed to enjoy the pigeons.

This seems a perfectly reasonable perspective to me.  I live in a town with pigeons, too, and I don't have any great desire to send cats out to kill them all.  And, having lived in Britain with plenty of pigeons around town, my first inclination if I didn't want to be near them was to, you know, move.


To reformulate that:

Humans should move if the habitat they have created for themselves gets coopted by other species which they find harmful.

We are so unbelievably schizophrenic about nature!

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 08:33:42 PM EST
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No, simply pointing out that I don't spend my time bitching about the presence of pigeons, and certainly wouldn't cheer the idea of pets killing them (not that this is a danger I face with mine).

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 09:03:24 PM EST
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The thing is, what one person finds pleasant another can find a pest. That goes for cats too, by the way. When your neighbours have 10 cats and they're shitting all over your garden, you'd tend to get angry.

Also note that in this storyline these were not pigeons that were bred, but that rather they were wild or feral pigeons being fed by someone who liked their presence.

All of these things are objectable from some angle. Domestic cats kept for sentimental purposes can become a problem for bird populations that are already under stress, but the sentiment 'aww poor little birds' also shows a rather odd relation to nature.

I want to tell people to get less sentimental and conflicted about these things, but that puts me against 95% of the human population, even on ET.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:32:32 AM EST
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You could not be more Dutch in this conversation!!!
by Nomad on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:47:07 AM EST
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Now that makes double Dutch ;)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 04:03:53 AM EST
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