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Can someone explain to me why Clinton is still in the race when she clearly can't win it?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:24:48 PM EST
Didn't your parents and teachers ever tell you that it is not the winning but the taking part which counts?

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:34:29 PM EST
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Not all of them. Some of them say "If you can not win, make the puñeta."

hacer la puñeta? = fuck?

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.

by PerCLupi on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:05:44 PM EST
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Don't worry, I meant it ironically anyway.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:30:37 PM EST
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Because if she doesn't destroy Obama, McCain will.  Or something.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:34:51 PM EST
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Obama can't seem to close the deal either.
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:49:08 PM EST
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She's not going to catch him.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:50:18 PM EST
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you know the story of the prisoner who promised to teach the king's dog to talk?

he was sentenced to death but he got a reprieve for one year because that is the time he asked for to teach the king's dog to talk.

another prisoner says:  that's crazy, you'll never teach a dog to talk!

the first prisoner responds:  a lot of things can happen in a year - the king could die, the dog could, or I could die.  hell, the dog might even learn to talk!

the same thing holds for political campaigns.

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:56:56 PM EST
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So Clinton will win when pigs fly? Well, much like the existence of the Invisible Sky Giant, I can't falsify that claim.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:59:39 PM EST
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maybe someone will find out something really terrible about Obama or Michelle Obama will be photographed holding up a bank -  something weird and unexpected will happen  - you never know what the future holds

I admire Clinton for fighting so tenaciously.  It's what the Dems need in a President.  

Unfortunately, I think Bill Clinton is coming down with Alzheimer's.  It happens  a lot in people with heart disease.  

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:03:05 PM EST
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Isn't that originally a mullah Nasrudin story?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:18:00 PM EST
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Because she applies this saying Spanish: "My God, that I run out of one eye as long as he is left without the two!"

He is Obama, of course.

Perhaps this is what Drew meant. Hi, Drew.

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.

by PerCLupi on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:55:23 PM EST
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I'm not sure what you meant, but hi back just the same. :)

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:57:21 PM EST
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Clinton: "If I do not win, that Obama lost."

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:52:12 PM EST
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Heh.  4 years ago everyone was upset that the nominee was declared before most people had a chance to vote.  Now people are upset that the nominee has not been declared before everyone has had a chance to vote.  If she has the money to do it, and is still on the ballot, and keeps winning primaries, I don't see why she is obligated to stop campaigning.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:56:04 PM EST
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All primaries should be on the same day around the country.

I'm not offended by Clinton hanging in there - just seems like a waste of money.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 02:58:12 PM EST
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MillMan:
All primaries should be on the same day around the country.

That makes so much sense you just know it's never going to happen.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:33:33 PM EST
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All primaries should be on the same day around the country.

I disagree.  In that case, you don't allow for the, I think, reasonable consideration of "vetting," and you don't allow the candidates to spend time with voters.  (It disproportionately affects establishment candidates, too, which I don't like, but that's just my taste.)  The calendar should be rotated every four years, so that we don't concentrate things in Iowa and New Hampshire.  And it shouldn't be so long.  But I think a national primary is a very bad idea.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 03:55:37 PM EST
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You could have it in May, giving everyone time to jet/train/drive walk around the country pressing flesh and being proto-presidential.

The current system is insane. It gives side-issue states huge media play, and turns the nomination into an even more of a flying circus than it would be otherwise.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 06:24:20 PM EST
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That's true, you could have it in May.  But, at the same time, I think it's also true that the focused campaigning helps to focus voters (more to that thought but can't figure out the words -- bah).

And, yes, the current system is psychotic.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:41:50 PM EST
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There is no perfect system. If we had a single primary, Clinton would have won it. The argument about allowing less well funded candidates participate in the small early primaries and caucuses went out the window when the media kicked a couple of the minority candidates from the TV debates in Iowa. On the other hand, there are rumors about Republicans changing to D to vote in the PA primary, which they wouldn't do if there were a single primary date.

The current system is hugely flawed, but a better one is pretty hard to come up with. Now if Clinton would just get some sense and bail out...but no, she's busy bragging about how she will bomb Iran when she's president.

by asdf on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:32:52 AM EST
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I think Obama should just move on from the Primaries and start campaigning against McCain. Just ignore Clinton completely as an irrelevance and use the primaries as a way of taking his Presidential campaign on the road.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:31:33 PM EST
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Well he would if he could, but as it stands, he has had to actively campaign against her in the primaries in order to hold onto his lead.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:34:31 PM EST
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Well, I think he could actively campaign while not actively campaigning against her, but I'm inclined to agree with zoe that there might be questions of sexism if he were to completely ignore her.  I think you're right and wrong depending upon the state, and it goes back to that whole "frontrunner" thing, where you don't address your opponent unless you have to.  Tough call.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:45:48 PM EST
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 that's not a good idea for a lot of reasons not the least of which is that to appear to ignore a candidate who is a woman would make him look like a sexist pig.
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:42:28 PM EST
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Which leaves him in the interesting position that not to ignore a candidate because she's a woman makes him a sexist pig.
by Sassafras on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 04:59:39 PM EST
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I don't get it.
by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:01:59 PM EST
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I mean that, if he would ignore a male rival in this situation, he shouldn't have to treat Clinton any differently.
by Sassafras on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:10:54 PM EST
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if Clinton were a male, Obama would just be perceived as extremely arrogant.

because she is a female, he would be perceived as a sexist pig.

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:38:56 PM EST
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If Clinton were male, she'd be Joe Lieberman, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:42:59 PM EST
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no way.  

firstly, her allegiance doesn't lie with Israel first

secondly, she and her husband haven't been shown to be bloodthirsty Arab haters

etc

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:46:45 PM EST
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Oh, really?  Then address for me her threatening to nuke Iran if Iran threatened -- yes, not actually attacked, but merely threatened -- to attack Israel.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 07:48:21 PM EST
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I don't think he has to do it at that level. That's what she wants him to do, trouble is he just doens't have to. She's an irrelevance and all he has to do is start attacking McCain. After all, it was Clinton who said what a great and experienced guy McCain was, to the extent that Rachel Maddow said she was fishing for a VP slot. So attacking McCain and republican politics is attacking Clinton and Obama can frame it like that.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:00:50 PM EST
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she''s not an irrelevance at all.

she 's not far behind him in the delegate count.

the rest I don't understand.  

by zoe on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 at 05:03:03 PM EST
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