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Exactly. No matter the bigoted attitudes toward people in the Balkans, they did not kill nearly as many people as the Western Europeans did in the last century. We can't ignore the fact that Europe was divided between East and West (with much of the Balkans landing in the East) and this division froze the enmities that resulted from the World War.
by Upstate NY on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 11:43:31 AM EST
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I admit you know a lot more about this than I do, but suggesting that the inhabitants of the former Yugoslavia are all barbarians who couldn't wait to get at each other's throat is a dreadful slur.

And you do realise that you're suggesting that the West was wrong for trying to stop them and we should retreat and just let them get on with it. Cos I don't see anything else but criticism of that act of peace-imposition.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 12:56:05 PM EST
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Well, I've written on this many times on this website, and though I don't expect anyone to remember what I wrote, I can assure you that  I never called people barbarians who are at each other's throat. In fact, the post you're responding to is a defense of your casting the people of the Balkans in this manner: "The whole Balkans issue becomes messier and messier. I'm tempted to wish a plague on all their houses and be done with it. But, of course, we can't cos they'll be at each other's throats if we do." so, ultimately, I fail to see how you deduce that I believe they are all barbarians.

Instead, I suggested there were unresolved ethnic troubles in the region post WW2. Whereas Germany apologized for the actions of the Nazis, the ex-Yugoslavs never dealt with the legacy of fascism in the region. This means that many were in denial about its existence in the region. It was all too easy for radicals to exploit this tension, especially when the region was encouraged to subdivide once again by Western Europeans (Germany, mainly). That initial subdivision triggered the mayhem.

Peace-imposition is also what the US is supposedly doing in Iraq. The fact is, The Serbs-Croats-Muslims had an agreement in 1991 which was authored by Lord Carrington. That was scuttled by the interference of Germany and the USA. Subsequently, they displayed ultimate irresponsibility by scuttling the peace and then not providing a security apparatus to prevent bloodshed. To this day, the US and Germany point to Operation Storm as an example of how they defended the Croats and Muslims from the Serbs, though Storm itself was a massive ethnic cleansing campaign. These two countries then conspired again in Kosovo to bring war to the region. Germany was forging documents meant to show that Serbia had conjured "Operation Horseshoe" while at Rambouillet the US declined the peace agreement offered by the Serbs (full autonomy for Kosovo).

It's obvious that the western actors FOSTERED bloodshed rather than prevented it.

by Upstate NY on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 01:36:43 PM EST
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