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I'm just wondering, all these diaries on Tibet. What's the EU's trade relationship here? What's at stake in EU-PRC relations if individual EU leaders, mostly conservatives from the former warsaw pact nations, overreact to this internal Chinese affair?

Seriously.

(Waiting to be called a liar again about something or other by the diarist...)

Fai de bčn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 10:49:26 PM EST
Here we are trying to get FarEasterner not to go GBCW on us and you come and troll him some more.

Seriously.

Would you say the EU-Israel trade relation is at stake if people make statements about Gaza, an internal Israeli affair?

Finally, my own personal view on diaries is that they are the equivalent of personal blogs. People write about what interests them, and not everything or everyone has to have a European connexion. If it doesn't interest you you don't have to recommend it (and enough people have done so to put this diary on top of the recommended diary list for a while).

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 03:06:42 AM EST
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I don't appreciate being called a liar, and I see he engages in the same stuff here.

Who's the troll?

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by redstar on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 11:10:54 AM EST
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I don't appreciate people pointing fingers and screaming "liar!" which is, unfortunately, a lot of what FarEasterner has been doing lately. Now, if you think what he's written in this diary are lies, point them out and refute them, but that's not what you did in your top-level comment.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 11:26:52 AM EST
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Agreed. But I can't get past his ad hom, one he not only did not apologize when I called him on it, but further dug himself into it.

You guys think he's a worthwhile contributor, that's your business.

I obviously disagree, and not just because he's calling everyone who doesn't agree to his point of view a liar or worse.

Fai de bčn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 11:51:44 AM EST
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What Migeru said. And we don't demand a European connexion from you when you write on US matters, either.

Speaking of pro-Tibetan ex-Warshaw-Pact people, those would be typically liberals not conservatives -- plus ex-Comrades who easily converted from leninism to Atlanticism and capitalism, exposing the past elite's lack of connection to real socialism, something they share with the current Chinese Comrades for whom you seem to harbour some romantic connection that appears to motivate this trolling.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 06:07:16 AM EST
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You don't demand it, but I usualy make it.

Here, no attempt whatsoever.

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by redstar on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 11:11:29 AM EST
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I don't see economic liberals to be anything but coservative, reactionary even. It's all about going backwards, their economic system.

Not unlike the Tibetan "leadership," all about going back to a medieval, theocratic political economy.

I thought this site was all about progress. And now when someone raises questions about this, and is subsequently called a liar for his trouble, then takes issue with this characterization, he's the ass?

I don't think so.

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by redstar on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 11:15:11 AM EST
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Personal remark:

You could do so much better than post this kind of sub-moronic comment, redstar.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 06:14:14 AM EST
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There's no need to get personal, is there?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 06:17:18 AM EST
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I'll let redstar be the judge of that. If he thinks I'm "getting personal" in an unjustified way (when I'm in fact expressing an opinion on the quality of his comment, not on him - beyond a subtext that states my usual high opinion of his capacities), then he'll no doubt say so.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 09:08:32 AM EST
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I could have done much better, agreed.

But the key part of communications is know your audience. My audience is the diarist, a true believer, utterly faith-based in his approach to the single issue he's been fixated upon here for awhile. So I'm not sure, given this, what more than sub-moronic I would have come up with that would make a difference.

I would point out that the diarist, given what is going on around this issue in the EU right now (just look at Le Monde today for instance), could easily have made an EU-related connexion to make this diary relevant.

That he chooses not to speaks volumes to me about his focus. Which in my view is neither European nor Progressive.

Which I thought were the two important elements of the site.

And again, I understand conservatives are appreciated around here, and that things are not always required to be EU topical, but also I understand we expect conseratives on the site to be polite about their disagreements, which we ourselves are even when in strong dispute.

If you see that politeness in this diary, I guess we are operating under different undrstandings of the term.

Fai de bčn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 12:14:06 PM EST
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Oh, the diary itself is not impolite, but the discussion thread went off the rails a long time ago.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 12:16:37 PM EST
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Precisely what I mean.

And, I note it did so well before I had time to get here. But I saw an ass doing the same thing to others as he has done to me, getting all GBCW at the slightest of dispute, and seriously man, I've had enough of this shit.

Thank you for correcting my characterization.

Fai de bčn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 12:18:45 PM EST
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You're right FarEasterner called you a liar and indulged in a heap of contorted casuistry to justify it, without apologising. But when you say

My audience is the diarist

That's not how I read your comment, apart from the final squib.

My beef with your comment is the innuendo about "all these diaries"... being linked in some way to EU trade policies (or why not US, the Dalai Lama being touted by some as a lifelong CIA agent?). It's just getting tiresome the number of people who write about what "this blog is supposed to be about" as if there's some rulebook on what topics can be broached and from what angle. As if those of us who have editorial powers should pick and choose diaries according to the er, party line.

Or, in this case, as if we were kind of encouraging more Tibet diaries because it was good for a supposed EU line on China. (Ssh, no one's supposed to know we've got a hotline to Barroso...)

It's all academic, anyway, since FarEasterner has announced with great insistence his departure from ET. And I (who have no religious leanings at all) regret it.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 12:38:19 PM EST
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