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It is amazing how many intelligent people in the UK actually 'bow' to the Monarchy working in tandem with the Church of England  and by extension, the upper class.

Presumably you are talking about "Old Money" here?

I do not think that "Old Money" is institutionally capable of protecting itself the way they once could when (say) the House of Lords had a veto.

The "forelock tugging" respect of the working classes (as conservative a group as you would find) has long since gone.

Royalty is merely another class of celebrity, and the intelligentsia understand that better than any.

Sure, there is a lingering respect for the Queen personally, but not, IMHO, a great deal more than an emotional attachment to the Monarchy as Head of State.

So I'm not really sure what you mean about "bowing" other than the exaggerated sycophancy that seems to take over in the personal presence of the monarchy....

As for the Church of England and the traditional "upper classes" I really do not see either as relevant at all to the UK today.  

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 at 05:06:20 AM EST
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I see the Queen, Church of England and the upper classes still very relevant to the UK today as the mindset of many British people, no matter how intelligent, is to be subservient, even if its in their mind only, to the upper classes.

The attitude, besides the small percentage of yuppies in the financial sector who probably make up most of the readership from the UK of this blog, is 'I know my place in our society and for me to rise above it is not a correct one since myself and my family have been indoctrinated to this by many generations of toffs.'

This is the reason the British have always been of the mindset 'I am what I was born and I shall not aspire to much better'. Even though there has been small changes in the general population, it still permeates British society and culture. With very few exceptions; there aren't many TV shows or films produced in the UK which are aspirational-the only ones are bought from the US.

by An American in London on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 at 01:55:10 PM EST
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Well, that's an interesting view, and worth a Diary on its own, I think....
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 at 02:05:14 PM EST
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It is a view shared by many in the ex pat community I am a part of and also by many aspirational Brits who have thrown off the 'shacles' of their parents and society's 'Royal/toff bonds'.

Besides the residue of an entrenched society; the non separation of church and state continue to also foster a society based on class. It continues in the schooling, communities etc. Very little is based on a meritocracy.

by An American in London on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 at 02:20:14 PM EST
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Hmmm, ever been North of Watford Gap?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 at 05:33:41 PM EST
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What's an "aspirational Brit"?

Very little is based on a meritocracy.

As opposed to where?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 at 05:40:26 PM EST
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Aspirational Brit or any nationality is someone who wants to create a better quality of life for themselves and family without being predjudicial to others.

Very little is based on meritocracy in the UK as opposed to what it should be. No one is saying many other places are incrementally better but that doesnt absolve the UK of its mixing the monarchy and religion with the state which sustains its oppressive class system.

by An American in London on Wed Apr 9th, 2008 at 03:30:50 AM EST
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How do social/occupational mobility rates in the UK compare to other countries?  The expansion of third level education in the 1960/70's may have helped improve this substantially, but the re-introduction of fees seems designed to slow this down?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Apr 9th, 2008 at 06:09:19 AM EST
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