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simply cut liquid fuel use to 1/4 of present levels
That's the bit that our politicians refuse to countenance.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:35:43 PM EST
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... but gravity tends to have the last word on that.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:37:55 PM EST
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I disagree with gravity myself.  I think it is bending the rules.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 04:55:37 PM EST
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Yep, but gravity still wins.

Life is a b....

by Francois in Paris on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 11:10:07 PM EST
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nah - I've been on a different planet for a long time.  We don't do gravity here...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 at 09:38:16 AM EST
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... exceed 5% of current liquid fuel consumption is to import, that means that 5% is the highest reasonable target ... imported biofuel, or biofuel made with imported feedstocks, should quite simply not be counted toward meeting whatever target is set.

A "sustainable" energy economy, no matter the technology, can not be sustainable adopted worldwide if it requires imports, since there is no place to import from if adopted worldwide. So "without counting imports" is a necessary (though not sufficient) condition for sustainability.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:43:37 PM EST
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BruceMcF:
In any event, if the only way to reasonably ... (none / 0) ... exceed 5% of current liquid fuel consumption is to import, that means that 5% is the highest reasonable target
Right! Up to 2007 the EU had a 6% market share target for biofuels as transport fuels. There was a consultation in 2006 about biofuels which prompted us to dig up the numbers for hectares of arable land, feedstock production, feedstock net exports, biofuel yields, fuel consumption and biofuel energy content. We concluded that the entire EU net exports of grain were needed to meet the 6% ethanol target, and the entire EU oil crop production was needed to meet the 6% biodiesel target. We submitted that to Piebalgs' consultation, and in 2007 the EU decided to increase its target to 10%.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:57:45 PM EST
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