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Although interestingly, the Roman Empire, that most militaristic and "manly" society had no problem with homosexuality whatsoever...

That's not entirely true. Roman social sexuality seems to have been very complicated, with equal parts austere and ranting fundie patriarchy, and wild swinging.

Man-love seems to have been accepted, but not integrated. It wasn't persecuted, but it was seen as slightly disreputable and decadent, especially when compared to the Roman ideal of dutiful marriage.

The 'manly' part wasn't so much manly as driven by frenetic ancestor worship. The worst possible humiliation wasn't gay sex, it was letting down the family name.

The opposite of that was claiming glory for the family. Which is why the Romans eventually bred a generation of lunatics who conquered most of the known world more or less on their own, by force of will.

But I think there is a relationship between gay hating and nationalistic imperialism, at least in the Anglo countries. Anglo culture seems extremely rigid, controlling and obsessive, and the perceived passivity of gay sex might threaten that mindset.

I don't even think it's about sex, necessarily. The core Anglo myth is belief in one own's hermetically sealed individuality and personal destiny, and the personal power to influence people, places and things.

The prospect of getting buggered by someone doesn't sit well with that.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Apr 21st, 2008 at 04:57:10 PM EST
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The prospect of getting buggered by someone doesn't sit well with that

How about the prospect of buggering?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Apr 21st, 2008 at 06:08:53 PM EST
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Ah!  I really enjoyed your comment, just got me thinking!

Late night listening.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Apr 21st, 2008 at 06:30:54 PM EST
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Sorry, Lenny Bruce - Christ & Moses

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Apr 21st, 2008 at 06:32:33 PM EST
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Let's add that in the Roman army, gay sex was anything but consensual. I recall reading that one famous poet wrote poems complaining of the officers' conduct he was under, but in a "such is life" fatalist mindset, but I don't remember who it was.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 04:01:12 AM EST
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