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I don't think Walcott is talking about Clinton or Obama, he's talking about the grass roots who are really pissed off by the Bush-appeasement coming from the Democrats in DC. As exemplified by Jay Rockefeller and the Bush Dogs still cravenly scheming to pass retrospective telco amnesty.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 07:35:26 PM EST
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I don't think it's going to pass.  Rockefeller can scheme all he likes.  It passed the Senate, but Pelosi surprisingly grew a set and killed it in the House.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 07:39:37 PM EST
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Which is why it's so utterly craven. And sadly remains emblemetic of the Democrats in DC.

Nobody credits Pelosi for standing strong, everybody just sees democrats carrying water for the repugnican evisceration of the Constitution.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 07:44:27 PM EST
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I certainly give her credit on it.  I was damned proud of her when I heard about it.  Setting aside the war, FISA is a top issue for me.  They shouldn't have any fucking immunity.  Not for past wiretapping, not for present or future wiretapping.  If they've done it without the government having a warrant, we should have every right to sue the shit out of the telecoms.  The Chimp can throw all the temper tantrums he wishes to throw.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 07:54:54 PM EST
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What's really eating at Democrats on the two sides of the Obama-Clinton war is a complex topic.  Some of it is shallow, other parts of it go very deep.  It all depends on which faction of the party you're looking at.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 07:42:19 PM EST
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You mean apart from the fact that Obama is sort of a soft-progressive, as long as no one minds and we can all get along, while Clinton is having a fully fledged psychotic episode live on national TV?

On the up side, Bush seems to have become the President no one cares about. The 9/11 wrrrr on trrrr has run out of rhetorical steam, and no matter how much he bobs and smirks and flaps his arms around, no one is paying attention any more.

I don't expect he'll stand trial for anything much, even though people are still dying pointlessly. But if Obama wins there may be some constitutional changes which will make an outbreak of Chimp 2.0 a little less likely.

I suppose Bush could still try to do the Iran thing as a final parting fuck you, but I think he'd run into a solid wall of WTF from pretty much everyone if he tried that. Cheney will still be masturbating over pictures of fall-out patterns, but the chances of the happy explosion he's so desperate for are looking increasingly remote.

We may have to console ourselves with the thought that when Cheney leaves he'll very likely be thinking of himself as a failure - because he didn't make the president emperor of everything, and because Iran will still have people living in it who aren't radioactive and dead.

Which is going to be small beer, but better than nothing.

Chimpy will go back to his usual lettuce-like level of sentience on the speaking circuit. He'll be invited to events where no one is going to care what he has to say, so he'll finally have the uncritical adoring audiences he's always wanted - and would have had much earlier, if it hadn't been for those pesky Democratics.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 08:16:34 PM EST
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Hey, don't demean her.  She's having that psychotic episode on televisions the world over.  And what's Cheney sad about?  Obama won't nuke Iran, sure, but he's still got Lady MacBeth and the Depends mascot, and either one would be happy to teach the Iranians to glow in the dark.

I mean the factions of the party backing each one, not the actual candidates themselves.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 08:26:37 PM EST
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True, there seems to be very little space between McCain and Lady McCain.

But Cheney can't win this - because if someone else does it, it just won't feel the same.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 08:54:12 PM EST
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Indeed, and it'll be nice so long as nobody actually launches a nuke.  My fear is that Clinton opened the door and inched the political establishment closer to accepting the premise that nuclear strikes were reasonable to consider.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 09:02:38 PM EST
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