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Why for women - as far as I know, it is good as an antiseptic for bladder problems, but not only for women.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:22:01 AM EST
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I don't think guys get those sorts of problems. I was warned of this when I trnsitioned that I was going from next to no chance to pretty much certainty at one time or another.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:27:12 AM EST
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Interesting concept that women get it with next to no chance to pretty much certainty at one time or another.

Yes, guys can get it, but it is much more rare.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:45:53 AM EST
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That's what I meant. As a male I'd had next to no chance of getting it, wheras as a woman I should more or less accept I was going to get it sooner or later.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:58:33 AM EST
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Yep.  The number of things that could go wrong down there has probably increased exponentially, astronomically, maybe.  The trade off is we can wear heels and underwire bras.  heh.  And menstruate.  And have kids.  Wait, that hurts too.  It's amazing how much women manage to accomplish given the percentage of their lives spent in some form of physical discomfort!

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:07:11 PM EST
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Absolute proof that there is no intelligent god, or other.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:37:29 PM EST
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From a engineering POV god is a slacker.

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run
by ATinNM on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 01:17:01 PM EST
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Dang. No heavenly elites we can slag off?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 04:07:55 PM EST
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I almost never wear heels, too long as a guy means it's excrutiating.

Plus there are so many women's shoes that just fall off my feet or give me blisters or ....or. Despite my wishes I'm reduced to trainers most of the time.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:53:45 PM EST
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Probably has nothing to do with being a guy.  They are excruciating to everyone, initially.  


Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:56:36 PM EST
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No, after the age of 25, males start growing bony ridges on joints, ie knuckles, eyebrow ridges etc. They also grow on the feet which means that when you wear heels the ridges dig into the flesh.

Seriously I've tried cos I love wearing heels, I love how they make me feel, but...I can't.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 01:04:50 PM EST
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I never felt comfortable wearing heals, thought i did wear them, because it was more or less demanded workwise. But I stopped wearing them a long time ago and have not regreted it, when I see the problems some of the women get because of the heals. For me it is just not worth it. Besides, if you look you can find lovely flat shoes too.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 01:11:34 PM EST
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I've never worn heels to any extent. I mean, why bother? Trainers and slipons are fine for everyday (even at work sometimes!), and there are so many different kinds of flats about that you would never exhaust your choices.

Helen, I never knew that about men's feet, how odd. Of course, it makes me wonder how some of those drag queens manage the monster heels they wear. Those shoes look painful enough as it is without that factored in.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 01:29:30 PM EST
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They don't wear them for long, or at least they don't move around a lot. Plus, they're often young and haven't grown them much yet

Also different people grow in different ways, I was fortunate in that I don't have huge ridges and so don't have to worry about them on my eyebrows and hands, but they're enough to hurt my feet.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 01:34:55 PM EST
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I haven't got any bony ridges.

What does this mean? (Go easy on me).

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 04:09:46 PM EST
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(Go easy on me).

Lacking any bony ridges, that may be the only possible way to go on you.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 04:23:37 PM EST
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I don't have bad ones either on my eyebrows. I only have slight knuckles too, which is fortunate as it has meant I haven't needed facial cosmetic surgery. Although I still think it would be nice as I've seen the results on a firend and it's amazing.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 05:14:05 PM EST
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I have to say that I don't understand what you mean when you talk about bony ridges on your eyebrows, or 'knuckles'?? on your face. Though the surgery sounds intriguing...

I should point out that one of my friends is an FtM, so I've kinda seen a lot of trans stuff from the other side. He has actually written a report about transsexual people and health care in Europe, which I am considering a diary about, just cause he's my friend.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 05:24:56 PM EST
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No, ridges on the knuckles of my hand.

Eyebrow ridges are bony protusions on men's faces. It seems related to manual labour cos you see them regularly on builders etc, but rarely on office workers. I guess ya gotta be looking for them cos mostly we see the face, not the constituent parts.

Talking of essays on transgenderism, here are the three I wrote

Thoughts in a Waiting Room

In the Land between Blue and Pink

Men/Women : Emotions and multi-tasking

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 05:56:09 PM EST
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Very interesting, thanks for the read. Though I must say your thoughts weren't really what I was expecting.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 06:44:22 PM EST
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I'd love to know what you mean by that.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 07:07:55 PM EST
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Sometimes you can be pretty cynical or snarky in comments (against the idiots, not us), but those diaries have a completely different tone. They're quite tender really.

Also, I found your analysis of your condition to be different to what I expected. My friend is often quick to overturn common narratives, and rephrase his experiences and insights in entirely new ways.

You also mentioned you were working on a 'transition diary'. Anything come of it?

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 07:30:53 PM EST
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Nothing came of it because I felt that "Thoughts in a Waiting Room" had crossed a line on this site. As if I'd stopped writing about the wider issue and was just being mawkish on my own behalf.

What analysis of my condition did you expect ? I'm curious.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 07:40:47 PM EST
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Well, I suppose you've kinda answered that yourself just now, in the sense that I thought you would push on the wider issues of gender and sexuality, and how they are seen in society. I mean, gender and sexuality are a pretty interesting things to me, and, like my friend, I'm sure I would find your perspective interesting. I can tell you, finding out about FtMs is mind blowing. There are absolutely none anywhere in the media, like I didn't know they even existed.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 07:49:14 PM EST
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It's actually difficult for me to talk about these wider issues because I don't know bout wider society. I don't have an academic approach to such things, don't do research etc. All I can write about is what I see, think and feel.

I hope I made it plain that TGs are less united by their similarities than by their dissimilarities. Each of us has a different experience of our condition, a different understanding of it. It is very easy to read books and trim your personal narrative to fit an attractive wider theory as a form of self-validation. But too many of these books are written by people who early on betray they have no real understanding of the phenomenon. For instance, the entire charing Cross experience is driven by what I consider to be an unsympathetic psychological approach that regards people who aren't dissuaded and proceed to surgery as failures.

So there are no wider views, I extrapolate where I can, but make it plain that I am doing so from a statistical sample of one.

I can only write about what happened to me and how I felt about it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 08:06:04 PM EST
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on my twenties-themed party (zoot rules!!!) I dressed like a maffiosi with high heeled boots. By one I stopped dancing, by three I thought the expression "my feet are killing me" was the understatement of the century.

You know, respect for all the shoe diaries and such - but WHY?

Mysteries of life.

by Nomad on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 02:06:37 PM EST
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it's an apparent lengthening of the lower half of the leg which is a secondary sexual characteristic and occurs during  puberty in women.So high heel shoes advertise a womans fertility.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 02:30:53 PM EST
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It is certainly an advertisement. Wearing high heels is essentially saying I am prepared for pain in this forthcomlng relationship.

<ducks and runs very far away>

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 04:26:57 PM EST
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A rather obscure thing to warn you about, isn't it?

I hope that this was quite a bit down the list, after 'some men are pigs', and 'smiling is obligatory'.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:52:44 AM EST
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Hardly obscure if, as a woman, I'm more or less guaranteed.

Most women in the UK seem to be of the "all men are bastards" opinion. I've actually had rather terse conversations where my willingness to defend males has been taken as a sign that I'm still not a real woman.

Smiling isn't obligatory, but people are nicer to women so smiling is easier.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:01:38 PM EST
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I'm personally not of the opinion that all men are bastards. Some men are really quite beautiful and wonderful people. But it is true that other men act towards women in a manner which is despicable.

It would depend on the individual actions and character of a man as to whether I would defend him, but I think it unacceptable to abuse whoever chose to do so. The women who insulted you were out of line, and you ought to have come back by asking why the hell they thought they were women? Their answer would have probably been nothing more than some essentialist or constructionist diatribe.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:51:52 PM EST
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Their answer would have probably been nothing more than some essentialist or constructionist diatribe.

It has long been my argument that essentialism displaced feminism in the UK over 30 years ago. The difference between the "feminist" debates in the UK compared to say France or the US is a generational chasm.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 01:02:03 PM EST
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I'm personally not of the opinion that all men are bastards. Some men are really quite beautiful and wonderful people.

Phew! I feel relieved...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 01:04:51 PM EST
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but underneath that of course we are bastards.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 01:06:00 PM EST
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Well...I'm sure there are some radfems out there who would agree with you, which is really inhuman of them.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 01:24:37 PM EST
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