I've noticed that cranberry juice "cocktail" has been getting sweeter over the years. The latest bottle I bought was so sweet I had to add lemon juice. I'm thinking of trying to make my own next time.

There used to be four flavor groups: sweet, sour, salt and bitter. All but sweet and salt have disappeared from most foods. Try to name a popular food item which is bitter or sour.

I occasionally buy schav (sorrel soup), but this has been sweetened too. The same goes for cabbage soup. And we wonder why so many people are having health and weight problems...

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:31:48 AM EST
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rdf:
sweet, sour, salt and bitter

I would add to this: spicy. I actually try to integrate all five tasts in a meal and try to avoid processed food like the devil. :-) I find if I stay with lots of fresh vegetables I get all tastes easily.

And of course the food companies have to add sugar and salt as it is more addictiv.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:43:42 AM EST
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What do you serve that is sour or bitter?

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:47:31 AM EST
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Bitter, some leafy salads like 'lolo rosso' or endivien. Some fresh olives taste slightly bitter,

Well, sour like from lemon juice or vinegar in the salad sauce, which I always make myself.

and I guess both bitter and sour are also in Helen's cranberries. :-)

That's what comes to mind right now, I am sure if I would think about it more I could think of others too.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:51:55 AM EST
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I knew it, just thougth of some more:

as sour are also considered: rhubarb, tomatoes, sauerkraut, yoghurt.

additional bitters can be considered: parsley, celery tops, garlic, onion, dandelion, which you can currently find fresh in the fields.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:57:53 AM EST
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Tamarind. Assorted other fruits and berries at different ripenesses.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:02:31 PM EST
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Yoghurt in the US has been transformed into yogurt. It's yet another confection masquerading as a real food.

To wit: DANNON Fruit on the Bottom Blueberry
Serving Size: 6 oz; 170g

Cultured grade A lowfat milk, blueberries, sugar, fructose syrup, high fructose corn syrup, contains less than 1% of modified corn starch, pectin, kosher gelatin, sodium phosphate, malic acid, natural flavor, calcium phosphate. Contains active yogurt cultures including L. acidophilus.

Sugars       25g               
Protein      6g

(By the way this used to come in an 8oz container, it is now 6oz.)

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:07:34 PM EST
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Yuk, I can feel your pain. :-) then you might have to make it yourself.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:09:38 PM EST
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rdf is citing brand name products sold in the traditional supermarkets here.  But it should be said that organic and unprocessed and otherwise natural foods are becoming increasingly available to the vast majority of Americans.  At first it was just specialized stores like Whole Foods, etc.  But now mainstream chains, even WalMart have increasingly large sections devoted to organic foods.  Which is not to say most Americans don't eat overprocessed food.  I think they do.  But there are alternatives for many people.  

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by poemless on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:17:23 PM EST
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Having tasted bulgarian yoghurt, I can't be bothered with anything else.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:54:46 PM EST
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Yeah, I recently read an American 'how is your health' quiz ( don't ask why), an done of the question was "how much yoghurt do you eat? I ate a lot, and thought that would give me quizkudos. But no, maximum 'bad health' points.
by GreatZamfir on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 06:05:48 PM EST
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dandelion, which you can currently find fresh in the fields

And in my chemically untreated lawn.  Just what I need-another excuse not to mow it.  ;)

by Sassafras on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 05:41:28 PM EST
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happy to have been help. If you need some more excuses let me know, I am good at it. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 03:53:38 AM EST
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Beer ought to be bitter and some are also supposed to sour.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 12:02:23 PM EST
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Cranberry juice "cocktail" is mostly water and high fructose corn syrup.  

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by poemless on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 11:58:55 AM EST
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In the UK we have things called 'fruit drinks' which are distinct from 'fruit juices.'

Juices are supposed to contain actual juice, almost exclusively. The juice will usually have been macerated within an inch of its life, freeze dried, shipped across the world in a leaky tanker, warmed up and reconstituted before being chilled again. So it's not fresh juice. But it's still juice.

Fruit drinks can apparently contain anything at all including colours, flavours, artificial sweeteners, mayonnaise, glue, and rusty old machine tools. I suspect there's a statutory limit on how little juice manufacturers can get away with. Whatever that limit is, any 'fruit drink' will be right on the line.

Cranberries are supposed to help with prostate cancer. Although that particular research was sponsored by the national cranberry association - or whatever the official title is - so it may be best to take it with a pinch of something sour or bitter.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 04:03:50 PM EST
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Take it with a handful of pumpkin seeds?

Those fruit "drinks" made of juice and sugar and water and whatever are called "nectars" in France.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 04:18:57 PM EST
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I think it is the red pigment, lycopene, an anti-oxidant, you may be referring to.  Some studies have shown that men who eat a lot of tomatoes get prostate cancer less.  Who knows. It can't hurt.  

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by poemless on Thu May 1st, 2008 at 04:19:43 PM EST
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Fruit drinks can apparently contain anything at all including colours, flavours, artificial sweeteners, mayonnaise, glue, and rusty old machine tools.

LOL...

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 06:41:21 AM EST
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umeboshi vinegar...mmm

bitter greens, like scarola.

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 04:04:26 AM EST
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