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In my understanding, traditionally, Eurovision has been representative of no real locally popular musical trend anywhere: music for Eurovision was special "festival music", produced just for the occasion. (In West Germany, there are some famous producers/composers who specialised in producing Eurovision pieces and discovering the appropiate one-hit-wonder for it.) Even establisheed stars would adapt to it with competition pieces, and the others would disappeare quickly even if they won the competition. ABBA being the one and only exception. This changed somewhat in recent years:

  1. with the appearance of competitors trying to win attention with a different genre (and pulling youth of their genres to discover Eurovision as a party),

  2. with the Eastward expansion of Eurovision, where locally established pop stars with more ambitious performances were put in the race (albeit still often with for-Eurovision 'festival music' songs),

  3. with the spread of talent shows, whose style began to approach Eurovision at national levels.

I also see Britain and the Eurovision as an interesting special cultural phenomenon. IMO in no participating country is there more obsession with it. But that in a very schizophrenic way. It's the tension between looking down on the Continent and wanting to win. As (still) the dominant country in youth music, Britain would 'deserve' to win, even a craptacular second-class singer should be a hands-down best, ergo if s/he doesn't, the Continentals have no taste. So let's pretend to not take it seriously.

Still, lots of Britons will obsess about what would please the Eurovision viewer voting public. But when it's candidate selection time, the two attitudes collide, and out comes a third-rate singer who doesn't play any current British but an imagined Eurovision style. Then comes the competition, and everyone jokes around venomously with the lead of Terry Wogan, but secretly (or not so secretly) still cheers for the British candidate, will construct elaborate conspiracy theories about political voting (though by last year, I had to notice this spreading out East of Britain) and is immensely hurt by zero points.

I observed this process every year when I had BBC on cable television, and then saw the public/media reaction on news sites and discussion fora. Say, life will stop on the Guardian forums and dozens of users will state how much they don't care about the show, but Sweden ten points. It's funny (unlike Wogan when watched for a longer time, so I preferred the inanity of the German and Hungarian TV commenators), and a paradox reason I think Britain is very much part of Europe.

(On all the same topics, also see my 2006 and 2007 Eurovision diaries.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 05:42:18 AM EST
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I won't deny that people go crazy over Eurovision here, with parties and non stop discussion... but recently we keep picking SHIT entries.  Really bloody awful ones.  Groups who can't sing, stupid crappy songs, terrible personalities and styles, urgh.  And everybody I know then goes around complaining about the chattering classes who waste their money voting on these things and pick the worst entry for us.

Frankly we aren't surprised when we don't get points because we were truly awful and deserved that.  we do however comment on the political voting of some countries, who seem to have an alliance with their neighbours and of course after Blair and Iraq and all of that, no wonder Britain gets nil points, even with a shit song.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 10:28:50 AM EST
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You sound like you desperately want to win Eurovision at some point.

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by Ephemera on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 11:03:13 AM EST
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I just want us to have a semi decent song, that's all!
Is it too much to ask??!!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 11:07:41 AM EST
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I think that the rubbish songs the UK puts up, along with the measly collection of points is becoming a tradition. It was 2002 since we finished in a respectable position, and long before then when the songs were good. Actually, I can't ever remember the songs being good.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 11:21:18 AM EST
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When I was on holiday last year, doing some very rare TV watching in my hotel room, there was a best-of summary of every Eurovision winner ever, in between acts competing for the Spanish entry.

Oooooh boy. I don't think it's gotten any worse over the years. But it doesn't seem to have gotten any better either.

Has the UK won since:

these people? (Who still seem to be going, more or less.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:41:27 PM EST
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Yup, Katrina and the Waves won it for the UK many years ago.

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by Ephemera on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:46:12 PM EST
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I vaguely remember that now.

I may have been confused by the fact that they were a proper band before they entered.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 01:00:36 PM EST
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but recently we keep picking SHIT entries

Then you proceed to give the explanation:

everybody I know then goes around complaining about the chattering classes who waste their money voting on these things and pick the worst entry for us.

That's a strange voting/not-voting behaviour, aint' it.

we do however comment on the political voting of some countries, who seem to have an alliance with their neighbours

I know. But that comes from taking "Song Contest" too seriously. The explanations are that (1) this is not a serious musical contest (it is more a family get-together and a party), (2) there are regionally popular tastes in music, (3) some competitors market themselves in other, culturally close countries (especially if language is shared) already before the Final, (4) some countries have large minorities connected to a neighouring one, representing an enhanced 'market' in the prior senses. (I find it notable that apparently, the British candidates aren't pre-marketed even in Ireland.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:25:46 PM EST
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