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Hmm, Scouting for Girls and Amy Winehouse are probably the only ones of those which I could imagine myself listening to. Many of the rest seem to be RnB clones, and most sung in English. Looking through the Billboard chart, you can see some French and German songs, but they tend to appear further down. Of course, all of the music is 'commercial' in the broadest sense, but a lot is very obviously commercial in the way that even the consumers (typically young) would be able to identify it as such.*

Peculiar problems with the European chart would seem to be that: a) for a song to appear it has to sell well in more than one state, or heavily in a large state, b) only the largest media companies can afford and manage the simultaneous promotion and distribution that needs, not to mention the costs if it fails, and c) other than English, what language will be accepted by non-native speakers? I notice the Finnish chart has lots of English songs, but the Hungarian chart does not, can you guess which songs also might show up in Greece and Spain and Denmark? You can bet it ain't Akos. (PS I think Lombroso would have had something to say about those men on the Crystal website.)

With a genre like dance music though, you can get around the language problem, and also somewhat the distribution problem too. I know that there is a far greater sharing and mixture of music in that area, with a greater sense of a pan-European 'scene'. My brother lives in Leeds, but visits Barcelona and Berlin for music, yet he doesn't expect to hear anything radically different to what he already knows! I also understand that in the US, the other half of the 'Western' media market, this kind of music is thought of as specifically European.

*The often repeated idea that popular music today is manufactured is true, but probably no less true than it has been for some decades, the difference now is that there is little or no attempt to dissemble.

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by Ephemera on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 04:44:07 PM EST
My brother lives in Leeds, but visits Barcelona and Berlin for music, yet he doesn't expect to hear anything radically different to what he already knows!

There's a way that the different centres play the same music--and then there's the way that many different flavours can have that underlying 'dance' beat that makes them--easy to dance to and so--maybe--it's easier to enjoy all the different sounds over the top.



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by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 05:27:18 PM EST
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With a genre like dance music though, you can get around the language problem, and also somewhat the distribution problem too. I know that there is a far greater sharing and mixture of music in that area, with a greater sense of a pan-European 'scene'.

True. Techno/Dance music is definitely the most pan-European (and it is very European, the one modern music definitely not US-inspired).  Only, so rarely do I like some of it... (but, interestringly, if yes, it's almost always British or French - so there are strill local schools.)

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by DoDo on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 06:11:37 PM EST
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DoDo:

True. Techno/Dance music is definitely the most pan-European (and it is very European, the one modern music definitely not US-inspired).  Only, so rarely do I like some of it... (but, interestringly, if yes, it's almost always British or French - so there are strill local schools.)


It started in Detroit!

What you seem to be thinking of is this?

Though even that has its American influences:

Eurodance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History

Original Eurodance is a fusion of several styles of dance music, primarily house and rap with the Hi-NRG variant of disco music.

Hi-NRG and Italo-Disco

Hi-NRG started in the United States as an underground, faster form of disco after disco had lost mainstream popularity. In the late 1980s it became associated with British record producers Stock, Aitken and Waterman, and by the early 1990s bands such as Masterboy were producing a Continental version of Hi-NRG.

Eurodance shows a strong Hi-NRG influence, such as the high BPM and the strong use of female vocals. The influence of Masterboy is readily seen in Eurodance music that does not feature a duet, such as It's My Life by Dr. Alban and What Is Love by Haddaway. Eurodance can also be seen as a more technologically advanced form of Euro disco, just as Hi-NRG is the more technologically advanced form of Disco.

Italo Disco and its later evolution, Eurobeat, are sometimes thought to be sub-genres of Eurodance, but rather they are offshoots of Hi-NRG. Italo was influential on the production of Eurodance in general, while Italian-produced Eurodance artists, such as Alexia, Cappella, CO.RO, and Double You, tended to preserve features such as operatic female vocals. Later artists such as Eiffel 65 adopted a sort of "marching" beat in their productions. The term "Eurobeat" appears to be more common in Japan, where this style of music is featured in the video game Dance Dance Revolution, as well as in some Anime soundtracks, for example the street racing scenes in Initial D.

House music

House music, also an underground genre in the United States, had come to the UK and continental Europe with the rise of acid house and "rave" techno in the late 1980s. By the early 1990s, with the rise of the Belgian New Beat, house then became associated with Belgium and the Netherlands.

Some of the first songs with elements of what would later be called Eurodance are house music. For example, Strike It Up by Black Box (1990) and Rhythm is a Dancer by Snap! (1992) both have the duet characteristic of Eurodance, and Everybody's Free (To Feel Good) by Rozalla (1991) has the characteristic synthesizer riff.

Of course, not all European house music was absorbed into the Eurodance genre. By the early 2000s, it remained a style distinct from Eurodance with harder synth and a slower tempo, for example Satisfaction by Benny Benassi (2003).


Hi-NRG in turn is influenced mostly by Giorgio Moroder, so there's a transatlantic cross-pollenisation. There's still Hi-NRGish stuff being made in the USA, lately a lot by RnB artists ('Please Don't Stop the Music' by Rihanna, 'Yeah' by Usher, 'Lose My Breath' by Destiny's Child, 'The Way I Are' by Timbaland).
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 07:58:21 AM EST
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It's symbolic of the cross-pollinisation that Rihanna is from London, did ok here, but absolutely found fame over in the US scene.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 08:49:58 AM EST
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It started in Detroit!

Hmmmm... lots of cross-pollination there, but from the German Techno - Wikipedia article:

In Europa wurde der Begriff ,,Techno" zum ersten mal im Jahre 1982 von Andreas Tomalla (alias Talla 2XLC) verwendet. Der Frankfurter Musikliebhaber arbeitete Anfang der 1980er in einem Plattenladen unter dem Frankfurter Hauptbahnhof. Dort sortierte er Schallplatten mit elektronisch produzierter Musik in eine eigenständige Kategorie und benannte diese mit ,,Techno".

Die damit entstandene Sammelbezeichnung umfasste anfangs Strömungen wie die deutsche Avantgarde (Kraftwerk), Elektronische Popmusik (Depeche Mode), EBM (Front 242, Nitzer Ebb), Industrial (Cabaret Voltaire, Clock DVA, Throbbing Gristle) und generell elektronisch arrangierte Spielarten der New Wave-Epoche (siehe Electro Wave), aber auch den Detroit Techno (A Number Of Names, Cybotron), der stark durch europäische Musikrichtungen geprägt wurde. In dieser Form konnte sich ,,Techno" als Dachbegriff für elektronische Musik international - und vorzugsweise im deutschen Sprachraum - bis in den Beginn der 1990er Jahre weiträumig etablieren.

I submit that there was back-pollination from Detroit Techno - as well as House/Acid House, which I find was developed in Chicago; and which arrived in Frankfurt when I was ending my second schoolyear there.

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by DoDo on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:12:29 PM EST
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Techno is an urban remix of Kraftwerk having sex with New Order while Georgio Moroder takes abstract photos.

House would be the style that's more indigenous to the US. Europe never quite got the funk vibe which seems to be the backdrop of most US pop.

One offshoot of Eurobeat eventually turned into Trance, which - I think - has very much more of a Euro feel than a US one.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:28:26 PM EST
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Now that you mention Trance, to nanne: I used "techno/dance" as a broad umbrella term for electronic music with strong beats (I include everyone from Paul van Dyk, Scooter, Robet Miles, Underworld, Loona to ), whose fans use these and a variety of other names - with techno zene = "techno music" being the most widespread umbrella term in Hungarian, but I was less sure about elsewhere, sayh there's this:

Dance - Wikipedia

Meist wird mit Dance insbesondere im kontinentaleuropäischen Raum eine massentaugliche und kommerzielle Variante von Techno und House bezeichnet. Stilprägend ist eine eindeutige und einprägende Melodie, die von einem bassbetonten Beat im Viervierteltakt begleitet wird.

Thus Eurodance as described and as shown by your example is only part of it. (Also according to the above article.)

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by DoDo on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:47:05 PM EST
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With dance music, the sub-genre breakdowns can get just a little extreme.

About the only thing you can say about is that there are probably synthesizers, and there are probably beats.

The rest just depends.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:59:38 PM EST
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That's true, you get this language confusion. When Dutch people used to talk about 'house' back in the 90s they meant stuff like Capella and 2Unlimited. Which caused endless net discussions :-)
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 01:07:07 PM EST
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2Unlimited

Whatever happened to them?

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by DoDo on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 01:15:42 PM EST
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They stopped making music! Jean-Paul DeCoster seems to have retired with his millions, Phil Wilde is still driving other dance acts (notably, Kate Ryan).
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 01:25:44 PM EST
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The number one techno musician in Hungary seems to be one DJ Sterbinszky. Those who like techno decide if he's any worth - I myself get enough of any of his work after four beats...

DJ Sterbinszky: Just My Kind (04:13):



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by DoDo on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 05:21:33 PM EST
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Giorgio Moroder - Chase

Music starts at 01:34.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 03:41:27 PM EST
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as well as House/Acid House, which I find was developed in Chicago; and which arrived in Frankfurt

...from Britain (hence my assumed origin)

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by DoDo on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:29:29 PM EST
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