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Have you seen Andy Tanenbaum's summary of polls by state?

On electoral votes, he gives Obama 237     McCain 290     Ties 11 and Clinton 280     McCain 241     Ties 17.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 02:47:17 PM EST
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I don't believe it.

Clinton's Hard Negatives (percentage of people who say they would never vote for her) started in the 40%'s.  Several weeks ago, on - take it for what it is worth - Kos someone posted those had risen into the 50 percentile range.  I accept that because I think she has alienated the AA population with her and hubbies racist remarks about Obama.  YMMV.

I'll let Drew monster-mash through the statistics.

by ATinNM on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:01:43 PM EST
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have done so below.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:13:08 PM EST
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It comes down to Florida and Ohio. Again. And the most recent polls for both of those were tied within MOR as of the end of the April.

This is before any active campaigning from Obama.

I'd like to be more optimistic, because these polls won't include new voter registrations, which should be giving the Dems some extra tail wind.

Also, I think McCain is more likely to implode than Obama is. He's such a pile of useless flesh that it's only going to take one slip to kill his campaign.

The chances of him getting to the end of the campaign without saying something cravenly stupid or spectacularly dishonest are not good.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:02:31 PM EST
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Florida's a lost cause for Obama, and Clinton's numbers there are much higher than they'd wind up being.  Florida always does this.  Kerry, at this point in 2004, was up ten points in Florida, but he wound up losing by four.  The state is much more conservative than people realize, and there are many other opportunities that don't necessitate the massive spending needed to play there.  The mission in Florida is going to be Organize, Organize, Organize, and hope for the best.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:15:29 PM EST
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Yes, I've seen it.  It wasn't a very good tool in 2004, because he updates it with every new poll that comes out, so a lousy pollster can replace a good pollster's results with garbage (say, ARG replacing SUSA one day), and so on.  This is to say nothing of the fact that we're still only in May, so those numbers will shift quite a bit.  If you're only down three points in North Carolina after a bitter primary fight, before the base has been consolidated, it bodes pretty well for the future.

Also, state-by-state polling data tends to lag the national polls, if I'm not mistaken.  You'll see a candidate start to tick up in national polls, because his/her support is growing and hardening in base states while undecideds are growing in swing states before shifting to that candidate.

Obama's big pick-ups, based on my read of things, are the following: Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, and Virginia.  Those are the first-tier opportunities, and I think the chances are going to be better than 50/50, and probably a good bit better than that.  Next would be Nevada, Montana, North Carolina, and Missouri.  I think we could divide those states evenly if the campaign is managed properly.

The third tier would include Texas (much closer than expected and a majority-minority state), the Dakotas, and maybe Georgia.

Ohio will be close, but I wouldn't bet on it because of the Appalachia factor.  It could flip, but you'd need huge turnout from black folks and white suburbanites in Cleveland, Cinci and Columbus.  Possible.  Very doable.  It's close there now, but Ohio is closer to static than other states, in my opinion, so it'd be an uphill battle.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:12:45 PM EST
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Also, a very interesting set of variables are about to be introduced into the equation.  Because of the Obama-Clinton psychodrama, the press hasn't talked about this (yet): McCain is only carrying about 75% of the Republicans in these remaining primaries.  Bob Barr, a former Republican congressman from Georgia (and a very popular guy with the lunatics), is going to be running for president as a Libertarian.

I think most Ron Paul supporters (5-10% of the GOP) are going to go for Obama because of the war, and because Paul has already begun making noises that are, I think, intended to push his supporters that way.  So what I'm saying is that I believe you're going to see some anti-war defections from the GOP to Obama, as well as some defections by the Huckabee crowd to Bob Barr.  It hasn't gotten ramped up yet, but keep an eye on it.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:33:24 PM EST
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This is some interesting number crunching over at the Big Orange.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:44:42 PM EST
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Yeah, I saw that.  Poblano's been pretty damned good this year.  Better than the pollsters in Indiana, actually.

He's on the right track, but I believe he's underestimating Obama's potential with the white vote, and is therefore writing off states without great reason.  What he's really picking up on is that the demographics of the country are simply moving in a way that favors Dems over time.

He's writing some states off that I don't think the polling data supports writing off.  Montana, Alaska, Virginia, the Dakotas, Missouri, Texas, and the Carolinas jump out to me immediately.  As I said, Obama and McCain are tied in NC and VA, for all practical purposes, and the same goes for Montana, Alaska and Texas.  We haven't had a poll out of SC since late-February (McCain only +3 at the time), so I can't judge that one.

When I choose my pick for The Big Possible SurpriseTM for the '08 election, there's a chance it might be Texas if this sort of thing keeps up.  Again, it's a majority-minority state.  Now, granted, whites in Texas are really white and a special kind of crazy, but you have a similar effect there to what you've got in places like Virginia, Georgia and North Carolina: At least one massive, diverse city that offers Dems an opening.  In the case of Texas, there are actually four such cities: Houston, Dallas-Ft Worth, Austin, and San Antonio.  If you can deliver massive turnout among Latinos and blacks, and then pick off those white suburbs around the big cities (one group to which Obama tends to sell very well), you've got a good shot.  Maybe no better than even, but good.

Peyote Bill, especially, could offer some serious help.  Sebelius, too.  Less so Kaine, whose appeal is really just a one-state thing, along with a little help given his roots in Missouri and Kansas.

And, anyway, Obama's kind of a cocky little shit, so Texas would make sense.

The real point -- and Poblano's made this before -- is that, properly executed (and, to their credit, the Obama team seems to do that pretty consistently), I think we can bust up a lot of states and end this duopoly that Florida and Ohio have over the country.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:07:52 PM EST
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Texas would be a surprise - and it would really hurt the Rs, because of (cough...) the narrative of it being a kind of homebase for that special kind of crazy the Rs do so well.

But it's going to depend on how much crap the Rs can find to throw at Obama. I get the impression the Rs don't really have a strategy. They'll be doing tooting on the dog whistle, but that's not going to do anything for the 60-70% of the population who aren't racist little thugs.

McCain has no chance with the AA vote, and that leaves his constituency looking bare. Evangelicals won't be inspired, the Money will vote dutifully but not very significantly in terms of numbers, so overall McCain is going to be lucky to get >45% of the total vote.

Obama's campaign so far has responded to attacks blindingly quickly, and I don't think McCain has either the smarts of the stamina to put up a convincing fight.

It's not too much of an exaggeration to suggest that all Obama has to do is be polite and reasonable and wait for McCain to lose his temper on TV.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:00:19 PM EST
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There are actually some signs of Evangelicals -- especially (who else?) younger ones -- moving in Obama's direction and focusing more on economic justice and the environment rather than the traditional Evangelical issues.  They're pro-life and generally against same-sex marriage, but those aren't their issues.  A hopeful sign.  I'm betting Catholics start moving in that direction again, too.  Abortion and gay marriage seem to be melting away from the national dialogue, for some reason, and being left as smaller issues for Republicans to tear each other apart over.

McCain's real problem is that any bit of ammo he's got to go after Obama is matched by much heavier artillery that Obama can use on McCain.  So Obama can say to him, "Alright, asshole, wanna run Wright commercials?  Great, let's introduce Catholics to Hagee and the country in general to Parsley."  McCain will be reduced to a stuttering idiot.

"My friends, I don't think Catholics are whores or that my wife is a trollop or a cunt."

"Elitism"?  McCain's got his own private jet.  End of story.

Even on the silly identity games, McCain is a lot more vulnerable.

It'd be great.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:27:12 PM EST
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I do think, by the way, he's probably right to think about black voters turning out in much heavier numbers than in 2004.  It will be A CauseTM in the black community.  Ditto Latinos, if Obama's got the money to pour into voter registration on them.  Richardson would help there, as would Kaine, who speaks fluent Spanish and is very popular with Latinos.  And I doubt very much that, with Obama planning to cap his maximum donations if McCain agrees (as he might be forced to by the press in order to avoid getting slammed with hypocrisy on the topic), money will be a terribly big issue.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:18:16 PM EST
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