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Italian tolerance goes up in smoke as Gypsy camp is burnt to ground - Europe, News - The Independent

In cruel and unusual concert, Italy's new government, its police and paramilitary carabinieri, and even its gangsters, have turned their joint might against the nation's enemy number one: the Gypsies.

Yesterday Pope Benedict XVI and a small number of left-wingers raised lonely voices in central Naples against the national hardening of hearts towards Europe's perennial outsiders. To little avail: the Pope's appeal for a spirit of welcome and acceptance was met with a hail of angry rejection in blogged comments on news websites.

But what will remain scorched in the nation's memory - as a mark of shame, or a beacon pointing the way forward, depending on how you see it - are the flaming structures of the Gypsy camp burnt in the Ponticelli district of Naples on Wednesday.

Residents of the former communist stronghold on the northern outskirts of Naples have been raising hell about the camp since Saturday, when a woman claimed a Gypsy girl had entered her flat and tried to steal her baby.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 12:03:04 AM EST
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a woman claimed a Gypsy girl had entered her flat and tried to steal her baby

Roma steal babies, Jews want Christian children's blood, witches have succubus teats, burning is the answer, I feel sick.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 03:39:41 AM EST
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I did point this incident out two days ago in the Salon. The young Rom was caught in the act of running out of the building with the baby. So apparently the fact did occur.

The camps were assaulted throughout Naples which has provoked an exodus of Rom. It is suspected that the camorra may be behind the acts of arson, as a way of "siding with the people."

In the meantime throughout Italy there are police operations against camps, very much a show since no more than a few dozen will be expulsed. It reminds me of all these ineffectual "get-tough" theatrics that Poniatowski and Pasqua pulled off to inaugurate their tenures as Interior Ministers in France.

Napolitano does not approve of a decree law on expulsions as expected. And of course any decree law would likely violate European law.

Some of the police operations are reportedly done with the collaboration of Romanian authorities but this would simply be in coincidence with all the "get-tough" staging. The idea would be to arrest some alleged Romanian criminals at large so as to beef up statistics at the end of the day.

Both Milan and Rome want an extraordinary Commissar for the Rom "problem." A lot of hot air for a Rom population esteemed at 7000 in Rome.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 04:37:31 AM EST
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Sorry, I missed your comment. But fact or not, there's an entire European mythology here, and it does make me feel sick.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 05:55:42 AM EST
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"The case of Angelica, the Roma teenager accused of attempting to kidnap a six-month-old baby in Naples, in the Ponticelli district, is a hoax. The version given by authorities and media is false. EveryOne Group has made an in-depth investigation into the episode that has triggered off an authentic "gypsy hunt" - which from Naples has spread like wildfire to the rest of Italy. "Right from the beginning the dynamics of the kidnapping appeared unconvincing, because those who are familiar with the building the crime supposedly took place in, know that it is practically inaccessible, both because of the gate and because of the careful surveillance by the building's tenants," say the leaders of EveryOne, Roberto Malini, Matteo Pegoraro and Dario Picciau."

Full english translation: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87592
The admirable group who saw this coming:
http://www.everyonegroup.com/

by irishhead on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 11:53:38 AM EST
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The fact that there is a kernel of truth at the heart of this does not excuse the response. It isn't Godwin-esque to point out where this leads.

I think Italy has enough problems and, however much the politicians colluded with their creation,  think it would be better if they concentrated on those in preference to a bit of blaming the auslander.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 06:29:10 AM EST
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The latest tally is around 400 arrests throughout Italy. M-T Fernandez de la Vega, 2° in command in Zapatero's gevernment has condemned Italy's acts qualifying them as violent, racist and xenophobic.

The EU has also declared that there will be no modification of Schengen as Frattini proposed.

This whole "show of macho muscle" will appease the acolytes in Italy and also enflame anti-European sentiment. It's just what this government is aiming at. Consensus, demagogy, a spineless Europe.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 09:49:49 AM EST
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MTFdlV says all the things that ZP would like to but can't because of protocol.

We'll see how this plays out, but Austria had its voting rights in the Council suspended for less than this.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 09:59:02 AM EST
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According to El Pais, the Minister of Defence has suggested that the military should patrol alongside the police. Can you confirm that?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 10:04:52 AM EST
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Yes.

As we said other day, there's this schism between fact and the perception of reality. Even the left perceives danger where there isn't any. It looks like the apotheosis of consumerism. Ever see a commercial with a clochard scratching himself in the background? People want to live in a commercial hype world where the unsightly is banned. The disenfranchised are a menace, It's a mass of underproletariat at the gates of the empire that aspire to possess gadgets. They're the danger, the menace. They can steal your cell phone, your hifi, your baby.

So show off all this military might and make police blitzes against an "enemy" that doesn't exist. And of course at that point just stop front paging this crime crap so that people perceive that they're safer. A winner. Berlusconi for life. If he could only rule Europe and show all those wimpy fags in Strausbourg want it means to be a real hunk.

...and of course if a particularly brutal crime does occur despite all this macho crap it will be Europe's fault, never theirs.

By the way, page 3 today. Corriere. A small paragraph barely visible: An Italian raped a Romanian.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 01:40:30 PM EST
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de Gondi:
The latest tally is around 400 arrests throughout Italy. M-T Fernandez de la Vega, 2° in command in Zapatero's gevernment has condemned Italy's acts qualifying them as violent, racist and xenophobic.
The Spanish government has done all it can to avoid a diplomatic incident.

Zapatero dice que no ha habido "ni incidente" con Italia por las declaraciones de De la Vega · ELPAÍS.comZapatero says that there hasn't been "even an incident" with Italy over De la Vega's statements - ElPais.com
Llamada de López GarridoCall by Lopez Garrido
El secretario de Estado para la Unión Europea, Diego López Garrido, ha tenido que llamar desde Lima al embajador italiano en España, Pasquale Terracciano, para comunicarle que la vicepresidenta no estaba haciendo un juicio de valor a la política italiana, sino a los hechos violentos ocurridos en Nápoles con los inmigrantes irregulares. López Garrido ha explicado que el embajador italiano en España se ha quedado "muy satisfecho" con las explicaciones que le ha dado.The [Spanish] secretary of State for the European Union, Diego Lopez Garrido, has had to call Pasquale Terracciano, the Italian Ambassador in Spain, from Lima to relay to him that the Vicepresident wasn't making a value judgement on the Italian policy, but on the violent acts that took place in Naples with illegal immigrants. Lopez Garrido has explained that the Italian Ambassador in Spain was "very satisfied" with the explanations given.
De la Vega explicó que "la inmigración es un fenómeno necesario, que es bueno siempre que sea legal y ordenada" y que la política que se aplica en España está basada "en la ley, que permite reconocer derechos y obligaciones a los inmigrantes". "El Gobierno", ha matizado, "no comparte la política de expulsiones sin respeto a la ley y a los derechos, y por lo tanto tampoco las actuaciones que pueden exaltar la violencia, el racismo y la xenofobia". De la Vega ha subrayado que existen "mecanismos legales para combatir la inmigración irregular y esos son los que hay que utilizar, y no otros".De la Vega explained that "immigration is a necessary phenomenon, which is good as long as it's legal and orderly" and that the policy applied in Spain is based "on the law, which allows the recognition of immigrants' rights and obligations". "The Government" she explained, "doesn't share the policy of expulsions without respect for the law and the [immigrants'] rights, and therefore neither the actions that can encourage violence, racism or xenophobia". De la Vega underlined that there are "legal mechanisms to fight irregular immigration and these are the ones that must be used, and not others".
This reminds me of the Climbdown by Moratinos (the Foreign Minister) when he claimed Aznar has supported the coup against Chavez (the climbdown was to say he had "legitimised it").

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 12:39:06 PM EST
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