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policy, the single biggest impediment to progress of EU institutions, imho.

The undemocratic ECB, far more than other European institutions, helps feed the widespread attitudes of EU citizens that the EU is undemocratic, out of touch with their concerns, and unconcerned with their lot.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 10:53:41 AM EST
The problem here is, that different nations feel different on this.
Most Germans (including me) - and not only rich ones - want the ECB to be independent. It was a prerequisite for the Germans to agree on the Euro, along with the single goal approach of keeping inflation down - and with such a single goal political influence doesn't make too much sense anyhow.
There is no chance that this will change.

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 11:17:21 AM EST
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This is one of the elements of the situation.

But what do you think, personally, about interest rates? Do you simply hold to the standard German strong-currency position, or can you see advantages to lower rates?

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 11:45:47 AM EST
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Generally I prefer to have low inflation and believe that it is very difficult to have low rates over a longer time, as creditors want to have higher rates, when they don't believe in contained inflation. As volatility increases, usually even higher real interest.
Certainly some things are easier to handle with a bit weaker currency/higher inflation. E.g. currency depression is certainly an easier way to gain competiveness than wage moderation.

I believe it is an advantage to have to be able to borrow in one's own currency, have the seignorage effect etc. The Euro has unique credibility due to the ECB statute. I'm not sure, but I guess the measures redstar suggests would reduce this credibility. While there is the advantage not to need wage moderation, there is also the disadvantage, e.g. for retired people, students on stipendium,... who can not strike, and often have a fixed amount of many, whichs value would shrink with inflation.

After all I believe as well that the current credit mess at least would have been smaller, if the interest rates in the US would have been higher. Certainly the interest rates of the Eurozone were even too low for Spain and Ireland. Malinvestment may not be better than no investment, even if it provides temporary work.


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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 03:27:17 PM EST
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I understand the need, for some constituencies, for there to be at least ideologically the veneer of central bank independence . But really, let's deconstruct what an "independent" central bank really means. What is such an institution's aim? Who, ultimately, is its prime constituency?

I would argue that there is no such thing as an independent central bank. In decoupling the central bank from the explicitly political process, you simply make it less accountable to all citizens are more explicitly accountable to the most powerful, those who own assets in the currency which a given central bank issues and manages.

But very much understood the popular view of the BUBA...er...ECB on the part of most Germans.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 12:08:50 PM EST
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Yeah, as Jacques Delors once said: "Not all Germans believe in God but they all believe in the Bundesbank."

We like the constitutional court, the president, the central bank, the 'Kaiser' Franz Beckenbauer, the Bundestrainer,... All these jobs/people have one thing in common: Most people don't know how one gets this job. But nobody trusts the parliament or the government, they are mostly what they are because of elections.

The ECB is not accountable to anybody in a sense. It is a bit like the pope. It shall keep inflation low, but nobody really controls them. Of course keeping inflation low is helpful mostly for those who have assets. That's true. But it is so on purpose. And in the long run it is useful for those who intent to borrow, too, because real(!) interest payment is lower(, in theory).

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 02:58:57 PM EST
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