Have you looked at No Quarter lately? See this for example from a few days ago which made me think she'd completely lost it.
This shit ain't sour grapes, it's plain old full on racism. And the comment threads are worse (guys going on about how the ungrateful slaves took all their family's property during Reconstruction with the help of those earlier incarnations of Northern white elitists for example and how Obama shows 'they' should all be deported 'back' to Africa)
Sour grapes I get - that's the stuff you get over at MyDD or TalkLeft, not pretty but understandable given the closeness of the outcome and the genuine (non racist) appeal of Hillary, particularly to many women who see in her the same symbol that blacks do in Obama. But the garbage over at No Quarter is a whole other can of worms. So again I as WTF? I don't recall anything that would have indicated this sort of ugliness in Susan's writings before.
Just as, to the exact same degree, the much larger number of white racists see either Senator Clinton or Senator McCain as their ticket to preserving the white race's Precious Bodily Fluids.
Both group's fear of the US devolving into a Nation of Zebras -- or whatever -- is bizarre. I, for one, would cheerfully give the first group Alabama and the second Idaho (not having any particular use for either state) if they would all just Go Away.
Tell you what. Have your people talk to my people to figure-out the details.
When they get done we'll have lunch.
European Tribune - Diaries
Racism thrives, even in the trial that started Monday of Edgar Ray Killen, an 80-year-old "reputed Ku Klux Klansman" and a "part-time Baptist preacher who allegedly organized the killings" of three civil rights workers in 1964.
No Quarter is, as I told Mig, kind of a Hillaryis44.org for the slightly less insane and paranoid, but slightly more hateful.
Many of these people are former Republicans who signed up for the Clinton/DLC brand of moderate Republicanism, and it's only been with Obama's rise that their true colors have shown.
I guess you could square the dump-Obama-for-McCain thing if you truly believed some of the shit they believe (the Rezko fairy tale, the gay-sex-and-cocaine fairy tale, etc). But it's a whole different level of partisanship and insanity.
Fortunately, I reckon we don't need them at all, doing the math. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
For those of you who don't know the Blazing Saddles Quote Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
Truthteller just sent me the official tally page for West Virginia. Take note of the listing of Barack's name. Well, folks, it is what it is. And one wonders, occasionally. why Mr. Obama shies away from the use of his full given name. I hope the NYTimes takes note!
She even cross-pollinates with Little Green Footballs. When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
Just a note that I find much to admire about Barack Obama and, if he is the candidate, I will vote for him. But I don't see in him the innate tough leadership qualities that are required for a presidency ... I do see those traits in Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Chris Dodd, and even Joe Biden. I am supporting Hillary Clinton, and will support the Democratic nominee. I'm also disgusted by the media piling on Sen. Clinton. If Obama becomes the certain front-runner, he'd better be ready. It'll get ugly. But the above incidents do not assure me.
When Clinton rolls up to reveal that the Dem party has its own in-house insane racist side-show too, it's a little harder not to be disappointed - if only because it's hard not to wonder what else is hiding out of sight.
you are the media you consume.
OK, you supported Clinton over Obama - I came close to doing so as well. For those who don't remember the early stages of the campaign, Clinton tacked sharply left on domestic policy, Obama went right. I also have some sympathy for the idea that you want a tough partisan SOB rather than a 'beyond partisanship' let's all get along type. And finally, there was clearly far more sexism in the media directed against Clinton than racism against Obama. Plus, like I've said many times, I have no problem with women wanting to finally have a female president. But how you go from that sort of appeal and critique to ranting on about the scary black terrorist muslim left wing radical commie who's no good for good patriotic White Christian Americans so let's vote for McCain cause at least he's a real American who loves his country - I just don't get it. Her initial reasons for supporting Clinton and opposing Obama were the kind you'd expect from a partisan liberal democrat, now they're the crap from the cesspool of the American right.
Maybe they should all take up golf.
According to Janis, group cohesion will only lead to groupthink if one of the following two antecedent conditions is present: *Structural faults in the organisation: insulation of the group, lack of tradition of impartial leadership, lack of norms requiring methodological procedures, homogeneity of members' social background and ideology. *Provocative situational context: high stress from external threats, recent failures, excessive difficulties on the decision-making task, moral dilemmas.
*Structural faults in the organisation: insulation of the group, lack of tradition of impartial leadership, lack of norms requiring methodological procedures, homogeneity of members' social background and ideology.
*Provocative situational context: high stress from external threats, recent failures, excessive difficulties on the decision-making task, moral dilemmas.
In-bred stupidity? Maybe they should all take up golf.
Reads as a reference to all Americans.
Irrespective of that, I'm impressed by how little racism has impacted this campaign - it hasn't been effective outside of the proverbial 20% of Americans who identify as fundie nationalists and a few urban liberals who feel we need to stay away from Obama because all other Americans are racist hicks and won't vote for a black man.
But as for racism - I think when you have a presidential contender and her supporters deliberately and knowingly playing the race card, it's something that has had an impact.
It hasn't had the effect it might have had because Obama seems canny enough not to run on race explicitly. He's allowed Hillary and the Rs to do it for him, and it's given them enough rope to hang themselves with.
Even so - it's shocking to find the Clinton camp being so aggressively out of line on this.
I'd have hoped that in context it would have been obvious who I was talking about.
It wasn't, but thanks for the clarification.
I thought it would work a bit better. Instead this rhetoric from people like Susan Hu has been a sideshow. Maybe I'm just another urban liberal elitist.
Are these people intent on inflicting Bush II - The Annihilation on us? Either Obama or Clinton will follow standard issue evil-but-not-completely-insane US foreign policy. McCain will be fighting the war between good and evil.
That said, you're right. A sane, competent centrist foreign policy beats the right hands down. Once upon a time sanity and competence existed on the Republican side, not anymore (Bush I may have been an amoral bastard, but his foreign policy made perfect sense in traditional realist terms - one reason he was very popular among European foreign policy circles). Plus as an American domestic policy is pretty important to me as well, and no I don't want more Scalias, more tax cuts for the rich, destroying what pathetic semblance of a health care system we have, and all the other Republican crap. So if Clinton steals this nomination I'll be extremely pissed, but that will not only not prevent me from voting for her, but I'll also be out there knocking doors, making calls and explaining to everyone how she's the best thing since sliced bread.
